Female circumcision.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....llegally-Britain.html

With as many as 100,000 women who have undergone this brutal genital mutilation illegally in Britain, why are the police failing to act against this barbaric practice?

/// The Metropolitan Police said since 2008, it had received 166 reports of people who fear they are at risk of FGM but it has failed to bring forward a single perpetrator. ///

/// It is the same for all 43 forces across England and Wales with no convictions for the offence ever taking place.///

[Brenden]

Daisy, rarely do girls bring charges against their family because we then enter the realms of "honour killings" .

[keyplus90]

Naomi – Circumcision is not mentioned in Quran and so are so many other things. How to perform Salah (five time prayer) is not mentioned in Quran either and it is one of the most fundamental pillars of Islam. Didn’t I say to you that you do not understand Islam? Because you pick and chose. You have no idea about the history of Hadith system either. Here is your given Hadith explained and after that consider the common sense I referred to in my last post. But I know that would be very difficult for you. Perhaps I am not acting upon my religion either when it comes to female circumcision as none in my family have gone through this and in my country with 98% Muslim population I have not heard about it. Or perhaps I understand what is compulsory, what has been left alone for certain reasons, and what is not allowed in Islam.

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[keyplus90]

Naomi – Circumcision is not mentioned in Quran and so are so many other things. How to perform Salah (five time prayer) is not mentioned in Quran either and it is one of the most fundamental pillars of Islam. Didn’t I say to you that you do not understand Islam? Because you pick and chose. You have no idea about the history of Hadith system either. Here is your given Hadith explained and after that consider the common sense I referred to in my last post. But I know that would be very difficult for you. Perhaps I am not acting upon my religion either when it comes to female circumcision as none in my family have gone through this and in my country with 98% Muslim population I have not heard about it. Or perhaps I understand what is compulsory, what has been left alone for certain reasons, and what is not allowed in Islam.
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[keyplus90]

Sorry for some reason last two posts missed few bits….

Naomi – Circumcision is not mentioned in Quran and so are so many other things. How to perform Salah (five time prayer) is not mentioned in Quran either and it is one of the most fundamental pillars of Islam. Didn’t I say to you that you do not understand Islam? Because you pick and chose. You have no idea about the history of Hadith system either. Here is your given Hadith explained and after that consider the common sense I referred to in my last post. But I know that would be very difficult for you. Perhaps I am not acting upon my religion either when it comes to female circumcision as none in my family have gone through this and in my country with 98% Muslim population I have not heard about it. Or perhaps I understand what is compulsory, what has been left alone for certain reasons, and what is not allowed in Islam.

[keyplus90]

But how you would understand as you & co are still in denial even about male circumcision when scientific evidence is undeniable. And here I believe that atheists believe in science.
Sandy – It has been going on over thousands of years and history goes back to BC. In Africa it is more regardless of what religion you believe in or even if you believe in no religion. Someone just has to type few words in google and its there.

[Davethedog]

"Male circumcision is according to the religion and now modern science does agree with the endless benefits of this"

"even about male circumcision when scientific evidence is undeniable"

I have a question abouthis Keyplus. Do you make it up? I have constantly seen you make statements that are untrue or down right lies.

Here is a report from 2007 by the BMA, the pre eminent medical authoroty in Britain.

http://www.bma.org.uk...ecircumcision2006.jsp

Read the section headed "Best intrests" where I quote "

The medical benefits previously claimed, however, have not been convincingly proven, and it is now widely accepted, including by the BMA, that this surgical procedure has medical and psychological risks"

So when you speak as I have quoted, you cannot be trusted. Yet again you come on here seeking to belittle people and yet again you are shown to be both ignorant and a liar.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, are you sure you’re quite well? After saying // …female circumcision has nothing to do with religion//, you’ve given me a video of a man saying that “female circumcision is allowed within Islam, but in a very limited or at a very limited scale, taking a small proportion from the end of the clitoris. This is all that is really permissible from an Islamic perspective.”

Oh, well, that’s alright then! You don’t know your own religion!

Pixi and Boxy – please take note.

I watched a bit of your first video and couldn’t bear to watch the rest - and I didn't even attempt to watch the next one. When the genuine nausea created by that - and your attitude – subsides, I’ll address the rest of your post.

[jomifl]

Keyplus, said //How to perform Salah (five time prayer) is not mentioned in Quran either and it is one of the most fundamental pillars of Islam//
So you just make it up? like most islamic beliefs and practices?

[Zeuhl]

islam is a system according to keyplus

well that sounds man-made - as we always thought!

fine if you want to live your life governed by detailed and intrusive rules dreamed up by someone else

[naomi24]

Keyplus, your fundamental problem is that you think Islam is beyond reproach, but it isn’t – and neither are some of its people. It has already been said on this thread that not all Muslims are guilty of this savagery, but some are – and if you were an honest man, you would have had the courage to agree with that truth immediately – but you didn’t. You tried to worm around it by denying that this appalling practice is in any way condoned by your religion – only to end up producing a video confirming that it is acceptable within Islam – thereby encouraging a far worse perception of your religion than was present before the discussion started. I’ve told you many times before, you do Islam no favours whatsoever.

As for male circumcision and other rituals, I have to question whether you take your instructions from Allah or from Mohammed – and the evidence would overwhelmingly indicate the latter – which seems to me a rather wonky way of conducting a religion that purports to hold its God in the highest esteem.

[naomi24]

ps. Keyplus, I'm curious. Why did you feel it necessary to post those videos of a girl being tortured? (I presume the second one is similar to the first). I can't see how that supported your argument - unless you were trying to dispose of your opponents by making them too sick to argue with you. Can you explain that please?

[naomi24]

Boxy, I don't think I do read it wrong - you certainly come across as an apologist. On this thread, for example, despite the evidence provided, you insisted that female circumcision is not a religious issue, but a cultural one. I just don't understand why.

http://www.theanswerb.../Question1127039.html

[naomi24]

^^ Sorry, posted on the wrong thread.

[boxtops]

Well - I need to rethink how I post then, if what I say can be interpreted as you do. Nuff said.

[ummmm]

Do you want my opinion?

I don't think Boxy is an apologist. I think she has Muslim friends and doesn't like to see Muslims pigeon holed. They aren't all barbaric, female mutilators, extremist, potential suicide bombers.

[naomi24]

We know that, ummmm - it's already been said. However, some are, and to say it's not religious, but 'cultural' is just not true. Blimey, even Keyplus has provided evidence of that!

[Davethedog]

Ummmm then why don't they say so?

I would like to beleive that they don't all just kow tow to their religion, but I have never seen any Islamist in public life, on here or indeed anywhere decry the barbarities of Islam. In fact I have never seen any criticism of Islam by a muslim.

It took years of pressure to make the Muslim board of GB (sic) half heartedly put out a statement against terrorism.

[boxtops]

Thanks Ummm, that's my point, in a nutshell.

[ummmm]

Naomi and Dave...I agree with most of what you say. I was giving my opinion on Boxy, not the subject.

[ladybirder]

That first video is one of the most distressing things I have ever seen.
How do we stop it, I don't know. If just one of the victims of this barbarity could find the courage to speak out and name names perhaps the floodgates would open, at least in this country anyway. I'm filled with rage that there are people that think it's OK to inflict this obscenity onto another person.