Referendum for UK re the mebership of EU

[Paul22118]

There seems to be much speculation amongst all the main political parties that there is a liklihood (yes really) of us being asked if we wish to remain in the EU. Would you wish to have the UK leave the European Union in an organised manner, as is possible, some time soon?

[mike11111]

If we ever get the the point of a referendum (O blessed happy day) I look forward to jake the peg batting for the In vote. His post just about sums it up - never mind what we think, it's what the US thinks that counts! This is the same US who were quite happy to see Britain subjugated to Germany until their own selfish interest were attacked.

[boxtops]

I remember the original vote as to whether we should join, or not - nobody explained to us at the time that joining the EC at that time would mean we could no longer buy New Zealand Lamb or things from other non-EC countries. I don't know enough about withdrawing now, as to what the implications would be, but I can't see any obvious drawbacks at the moment.

[DaisyNonna]

Excuse me. "we had the choice of leaving" Cobblers. Anybody ask me? I thought that we might have included me.

[askyourgran]

I can't help but wonder why DC and others are dragging their heels about leaving the EU, we dont have the euro thankfully and I'm sure they know the feeling of the electorate by now, so what is the reason for hanging on to a dead expensive duck.

[mike11111]

We did not have a vote to join. We had a vote as to whether we should accept the renegotiated terms of membership by the new Labour government who had offered this as a cynical ploy to win the previous general election. Then as now, politicians from all parties were on both sides.

[DaisyNonna]

Not supposed to eat butter but buy it sometimes just for the hell of it to support New Zealand. Pass the butter on to someone who can eat it.

[boxtops]

Correct, the referendum was in 1975. Much has changed since then!

[puddle-duck]

mike, I would have thought the US would be more interested in their own affairs rather that what is going on in the EU. Last I heard over 20 states were seeking sovereignty.

[mike11111]

The last time that some American states sought sovereignty resulted in a bloody 4 year war. I can't see Washington loosening its grip very soon.

[MarkRae]

There exists a political party in this country known, in abbreviation, as UKIP. They have existed since the early 1990s. In that time they have fielded candidates for virtually every bi-election and general election going. They have, to date, not returned a single MP to Westminster.

Can any one of you (jake-the-peg exempt) actually work out why this is?

This huge groundswell of public opinion which, allegedly, exists up and down the land and is in favour of our leaving the European Union would surely be massively attractive to any of the mainstream political parties. If you were to believe the nonsense spouted on this thread, you might wonder why the Conservatives or Labour has not written it into their latest policy document. After all, if they did they'd surely win the biggest landslide victory at the next general election that this country has ever seen, wouldn't they?

Come on, then - work it out if you can...

[mike11111]

Who needs The Reichsfurher Merkel to dictate to us when we have our own gaelic-spouting francophile to do the dirty on her behalf.

[Jeza]

Markrae, I have not been on this site very long. I must say you are the most conceited, condensing person on here. That other people have a different opinion to you does not make them wrong and you right.

[puddle-duck]

Markrae I think you'll find that the UKIP is fastly gaining support. A few conservative mps have defected to them also a vast number of former conservative voters have now joined.

It is my opinion that people tend to carry on voting for one of the three main political parties, when in truth they have all let us down. It's time for something new, lets give someone else a chance. Nigel Farage gets my vote.

[birdie1971]

Methyl - “... UKIP oppose all immigration...”

That is simply not true. I don't support UKIP but I have an aversion to people who state as fact something that is demonstrably untrue...

http://www.ukip.org/c...nd-asylum-ukip-policy

Policy extract from the above website, “End mass, uncontrolled immigration. UKIP calls for an immediate five-year freeze on immigration for permanent settlement. We aspire to ensure that any future immigration does not exceed 50,000 people p.a.”


Your above statement is incorrect.

[birdie1971]

MarkRae - “... There exists a political party in this country known, in abbreviation, as UKIP. They have existed since the early 1990s. In that time they have fielded candidates for virtually every bi-election and general election going. They have, to date, not returned a single MP to Westminster... Can any one of you... actually work out why this is?”

Yes we can. Thanks for asking.

The mainstream media is extremely proficient in pigeon-holing political parties. They do so routinely. They are particularly adept at making minor political parties appear to be one-policy parties. The example we are addressing is UKIP. If we were to ask a member of the general public what UKIP's policies were other than extricating this country from the antidemocratic behemoth that calls itself the European Union, I suspect that they wouldn’t know.

Is this because UKIP have no other policies? No. Is this because it suits the mainstream media to maintain and pedal the lie that only Labour, Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats have the answer to all the economic and sociological problems that this country faces?

To quote yourself, “... Come on, then - work it out if you can...”.

[birdie1971]

It does make me cringe whenever I see or hear people talking about democracy in the EU; banging on about elections and democracy and freedom, etc. I sometimes wonder if these people who support the idea of a European state are fully conversant with the concept of democracy and freedom.

We have a chap in charge of the whole of the EU called Herman Van Rompuy. He's the President of the European Council. He's the biggest cheese in the whole of the EU. Impressive eh? He's the European equivalent of Barack Obama. Van Rompuy's the President of a total of 27 individual countries.

Did you vote him in? No.
Did anyone you voted for in the EU elections vote him in? No.

So who made this guy the man in charge? His peers did. Who are his peers? Mostly unelected bureaucrats. Can you remove him by democratic means? No.

In fact, you have no say about how he is elected and nor can you remove him if you think he's doing a bad job.



Democracy. Dream on.

[flobadob]

It' the Lib Dems raising this issue isn't it? Lolololoooollololollolol.