Ian Brady (Moors murderer) wants to die, should he be allowed to?

[RATTER15]

I didnt realise that he is being tube fed since being on hunger strike 12 years ago.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18739237

Im a little surprised they are permitted to feed him by tube, claiming his insanity, im sure they are acting within the law but I really dont know how!

[pusskin]

ditto ladybirder, got it in one.

[jackthehat]

That IS the legal position, Ratter.

Whilst he is in a hospital, the doctors have to do all they can to preserve his life. Any failure to do so could see them prosecuted for being 'complicit/negligent' in his death.

Once he is in prison, he can exercise his right to die.

[mrsmaveric]

no ladybirder it was keith bennett...poor little lad....

[horseshoes]

I think you're spot on SandyRoe. I was coming across Saddleworth Moor last week and it really is vast. I don't think he could remember where the poor boy is buried now even if he wanted to, which I don't believe he does. I hope they keep him alive and that he suffers a horrible old age with lots of pain.

[dotty.]

lots of pain but i also hope he is really sane, then he'll really know what is going on.

[horseshoes]

Agreed Dotty.

[dotty.]

I've said this before on here, when you're 10 years old and can't understand why your mum is crying whilst reading the newspaper it stays with you, haunts you almost, still does.

[mrsmaveric]

isnt there tecnhology where they can scan the area to see if earth has been disturbed?? i read an interview the other week with winnie johnson [keiths mum]...and it was a heartbreaking read...she too herself is dying of cancer..i wish they could find her son so that she can die in peace knowing her son is at least resting in consecrated ground and not on the bleak moors....

[Psybbo]

What abhorrence those who look after him must feel

[RATTER15]

JTH, So he has the more rights in prison? This maybe the case in a mental institution but not an ordinary hospital for sure.

It just seems wrong that just because someone is not sane they lose their rights.

Again I am not talking about brady!!

[jackthehat]

I don't think there are many people who wouldn't swap any information, from Brady, leading to the recovery of Keith Bennett's body, for his transfer to a prison where he can starve himself to death.

[mike11111]

The members of the jury who were forced to listen to the haunting tape recording made by the culprits of one of their victims begging for mercy were excused by the judge from further jury service for life. Apparently that tape is now under secure lock and key, never to be made public.

[jackthehat]

They don't lose their rights. The law says they have a diminished capacity to make decisions......and a hospital (secure or not) cannot let it's patients die just because they have decided to. Hence the recent 'Right to Die' court cases.

[sandyRoe]

Someone who was insane, mentally ill, could be 'sectioned' and spend years in a hospital. They might never have done any harm to anyone yet they still lose their right to freedom.

[ladybirder]

That Brady could enjoy the power he has of keeping that poor woman in agony for all these years is incomprehensible to me. As if the crimes he committed were not evil enough he has made Winnie's life as unbearable as he possibly could.

[RATTER15]

I have done a lot of work and courses on the Metal Capacity Act and Deprivation of Liberties Acts etc. I have never come across anything suggesting they can be force fed. I may have skipped over that bit as not applying to my job role. We would certainly not be permitted to force feed a resident held under the Mental Capacity Act in the Dementia unit.A bit different I know.

[mrsmaveric]

i dont think brady is insane just pure evil...mrs johnson wrote to brady last year pleading for help to locate her son and he had the nerve to say that he wasnt going to help anymore and that was his ''final word on the matter''...evil...pure evil...

[RATTER15]

Again Sandy, their right to freedom is a different issue.

[hc4361]

Death would be a balm to him - his punishment is to live.
The legality has already been stated. He is insane and has to be looked after - force fed.

[jackthehat]

He is fed via a nasal tube, Ratter.
The definition of 'feeding' may be up for debate, but he certainly receives sufficient nutrition to keep him alive.