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Creationist Schools
Should the Government approve and fund by the taxpayer, schools run by Creationist Groups?
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I'd much rather we followed the French secular approach and left religion to the parents and leave it out of schools altogether.
I'm sick to death of being called a bigot for opposing religious schools, usually by parents who say "My child is entitled to a religious upbringing". Of course it is, so get off your lazy @rse and take them to the indoctrinati
I'm sick to death of being called a bigot for opposing religious schools, usually by parents who say "My child is entitled to a religious upbringing". Of course it is, so get off your lazy @rse and take them to the indoctrinati
08:37 Wed 18th Jul 2012
That depends
They say they teach creationism in RE classes which is just about acceptable.
There doesn't seem to be any declared intention to teach it as a valid scientific theory.
Personally I'm not happy about it but if religion is going to be taught in schools (and I don't think it should be) then they should have the freedom to teach whatever is in their particular magic book as long as it stays in the RE class
They say they teach creationism in RE classes which is just about acceptable.
There doesn't seem to be any declared intention to teach it as a valid scientific theory.
Personally I'm not happy about it but if religion is going to be taught in schools (and I don't think it should be) then they should have the freedom to teach whatever is in their particular magic book as long as it stays in the RE class
I'd much rather we followed the French secular approach and left religion to the parents and leave it out of schools altogether.
I'm sick to death of being called a bigot for opposing religious schools, usually by parents who say "My child is entitled to a religious upbringing". Of course it is, so get off your lazy @rse and take them to the indoctrination centre of your own choice, rather than expecting the state to do it for you. Anyway, surely separating small children on the basis of their religion isn't much better than 1960's America separating black and white children.
I'm sick to death of being called a bigot for opposing religious schools, usually by parents who say "My child is entitled to a religious upbringing". Of course it is, so get off your lazy @rse and take them to the indoctrination centre of your own choice, rather than expecting the state to do it for you. Anyway, surely separating small children on the basis of their religion isn't much better than 1960's America separating black and white children.
I tend to suspect, rightly or wrongly, that the real agenda with religion in schools is that the religious feel that it's a way to at least try to get their teaching into the ears of kids that would otherwise not get a religious upbringing.
Hence the mandatory requirement for a daily act of worship in schools
It's a nasty old fashioned self-righteous attitude that stems from a belief that ethics can only spring from a religous source
Hence the mandatory requirement for a daily act of worship in schools
It's a nasty old fashioned self-righteous attitude that stems from a belief that ethics can only spring from a religous source
I think the requirement for it goes back to the days when the "church" had a much bigger say in the running of things and, now that church attendances are falling drastically, they will fight tooth and nail to retain it.
We had an RE teacher who divided the class into two; those who wanted to listen, and those who could do their homework as long as they kept quiet and allowed the others to listen. I liked him as it meant I could change out of my uniform as soon as I got home to go and play football.
We had an RE teacher who divided the class into two; those who wanted to listen, and those who could do their homework as long as they kept quiet and allowed the others to listen. I liked him as it meant I could change out of my uniform as soon as I got home to go and play football.
I can see no reason why Creationism, Darwinism, Solipsism and Panpsychism etc. should not be taught in a general philosophy class. See http://
Schools that attempt to teach Creationism in Biology lessons should have their Head Teacher, Head of Science, Biology Teacher and Board of Governors dismissed.
Schools that attempt to teach Creationism in Biology lessons should have their Head Teacher, Head of Science, Biology Teacher and Board of Governors dismissed.
a discussion?
well that's one word for it with posts like
'Really mister. Stop being a retard and grow up. '
It makes the AB News section look like a paragon of polite consideration.
I think that misses the point - Evolution is one of the most important scientific breakthroughs ever and not to teach it in Biology would be like teaching Chemistry without the periodic table.
It's just trying to dodge the issue
well that's one word for it with posts like
'Really mister. Stop being a retard and grow up. '
It makes the AB News section look like a paragon of polite consideration.
I think that misses the point - Evolution is one of the most important scientific breakthroughs ever and not to teach it in Biology would be like teaching Chemistry without the periodic table.
It's just trying to dodge the issue
I don't disagree at all with your views, Duncer...indeed, I wholly approve of them...but "separating small children on the basis of their religion" is a mistaken concept. Children don't HAVE a religion; they are merely unwitting 'carriers' of the beliefs of their parents. If one cannot get married until the age of 16 or reach majority until 18, then one of these markers should also be when a young person can genuinely claim to 'have' a religion.
Faith schools should not be funded by the state. In fact they should be outlawed for reasons already stated. On the other hand I disagree with those who say that religion should not be taught. We cannot understand our own culture without knowing something about the Judaeo-Christian tradition. Same goes for Islam if you happen to be born in Pakistan or Morocco. Teaching children ABOUT religion, and not just the prevalent one in their own country, is a necessary part of education and a useful thing beyond that. At the very least they would realise that the religion of their parents has far more to do with accident of birth than the nonsense about divine revelation punted by the priests and imams
And while we’re on religious themes, hello, Quizmonster. Didn’t we meet over a demon? My regards to Gribble (if I remember her name correctly).
And while we’re on religious themes, hello, Quizmonster. Didn’t we meet over a demon? My regards to Gribble (if I remember her name correctly).
Jake - fyi
// Grindon Hall Christian school in Sunderland, a private school due to reopen in September with state funding, says on its website that it will present creationism as science and affirm the position that Christians believe God's creation of the world is "not just a theory but a fact". //
// Grindon Hall Christian school in Sunderland, a private school due to reopen in September with state funding, says on its website that it will present creationism as science and affirm the position that Christians believe God's creation of the world is "not just a theory but a fact". //
I'm not impressed with the idea of taxpayers funding private schools at all. Public money should go to provide public services. It's not as if authorities can have lots of money to splash around, they can't have. My local one is failing miserably to provide the street lighting I pay them for late at night when I arrive back home. And another is threatening to demand excess payments from me simply because they have the power to bully me and make my life more miserable, using the excuse that I have a place I'm presently not living in but spending my own time working on to bring up to standard.
I'd be particularly wary of schools that has the aim of pushing an extreme religious agenda as if it were proven fact. That is wrong to inflict on young minds even when financial matters are ignored.
I'd be particularly wary of schools that has the aim of pushing an extreme religious agenda as if it were proven fact. That is wrong to inflict on young minds even when financial matters are ignored.
The state should only fund State run schools wholly, which teaches subjects according to the National Curriculum, plus the religion of the country, ie in England, The Church of England
If any other particular group wishes to run their own schools which teach their beliefs, then they should be funded partly by that group and partly by the State on condition that it teaches the national curriculum ie normal academic subjects.
If any other particular group wishes to run their own schools which teach their beliefs, then they should be funded partly by that group and partly by the State on condition that it teaches the national curriculum ie normal academic subjects.
So by your reckoning AOG we will soon all be taught Islam in the schools?
No, religion should be taught byt it should be as an appreciation so all religions are discussed, why they are there, differences etc. As for the scientific reason we are all here then that should be part of science as it is fact not a fairy story.
Under no circumstances should the state fund a penny to either private or religious schools.
No, religion should be taught byt it should be as an appreciation so all religions are discussed, why they are there, differences etc. As for the scientific reason we are all here then that should be part of science as it is fact not a fairy story.
Under no circumstances should the state fund a penny to either private or religious schools.
Gromit
/// The Religion of the Country should be taught in churches not schools. It should be funded by the Church of England not the general taxpayer. Education not indoctrination. ///
The religion of the country has been taught in our schools for years and it did no harm, I myself had to march over a mile to the nearest church for morning prays and assembly, later to have them conducted in the school hall, and then by our religious education teacher.
Although we were not a particular religious family, my parents made sure that I attended Sunday School, and later to evening church, one of the most popular books was the Children's illustrated Bible.
Although I am not putting myself up as a preacher, I am sure given the chance, if children were brought up believing a little more in religious beliefs we wouldn't have the problems that we experience today.
You quoted "Education not indoctrination" well I think you will find that there is much more indoctrination (all at the expense of education) these days than any in the past.
/// The Religion of the Country should be taught in churches not schools. It should be funded by the Church of England not the general taxpayer. Education not indoctrination. ///
The religion of the country has been taught in our schools for years and it did no harm, I myself had to march over a mile to the nearest church for morning prays and assembly, later to have them conducted in the school hall, and then by our religious education teacher.
Although we were not a particular religious family, my parents made sure that I attended Sunday School, and later to evening church, one of the most popular books was the Children's illustrated Bible.
Although I am not putting myself up as a preacher, I am sure given the chance, if children were brought up believing a little more in religious beliefs we wouldn't have the problems that we experience today.
You quoted "Education not indoctrination" well I think you will find that there is much more indoctrination (all at the expense of education) these days than any in the past.
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Europa School is a new state-funded, multi-lingual and multi-cultural free school with a strong European ethos.
http://www.europaschooluk.org/index.php
Our vision is to be the leading bilingual school in the UK, offering the very best of British education through a comprehensive programme of learning through English and Spanish.
http://www.bilingualprimaryschool.org.uk/
Local Mosques and Community Leaders demonstrate their support for Al-Madinah Free School
http://almadinahschool.org.uk
The Jewish educational, historical and cultural experience provides a model that has underpinned societies all over the world for generations.
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We want to help realise the ambition of communities across the United Kingdom for improved access to Muslim faith-based education.
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'St Michael's Catholic Secondary School seeks to live out the message and life of Jesus Christ according to the teaching of the Catholic Church.
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