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Why Is This? It Never Happened In 'my Day'.
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In Britain we may not have anything like India's brutality to women, thank goodness, but then I don't think India's teachers have to endure the same treatment as our teachers apparently do.
/// One of the most notorious attacks on a teacher happened at Westminster City School in 2004 when a teacher was raped by Dwayne Best, then a 15-year-old pupil, as she was marking books in a classroom. ///
/// In January last year, a boy of 10 was arrested over a vicious attack on two women teachers in Orpington which left one with a broken leg. ///
/// “I was quite scared, especially because of the kind of community I was working in. Outside school the knife culture was happening. We were worried about repercussions when you left the building. Kids used to say, ‘Wait until after school’ and ‘Watch what is going to happen’.” ///
In Britain we may not have anything like India's brutality to women, thank goodness, but then I don't think India's teachers have to endure the same treatment as our teachers apparently do.
/// One of the most notorious attacks on a teacher happened at Westminster City School in 2004 when a teacher was raped by Dwayne Best, then a 15-year-old pupil, as she was marking books in a classroom. ///
/// In January last year, a boy of 10 was arrested over a vicious attack on two women teachers in Orpington which left one with a broken leg. ///
/// “I was quite scared, especially because of the kind of community I was working in. Outside school the knife culture was happening. We were worried about repercussions when you left the building. Kids used to say, ‘Wait until after school’ and ‘Watch what is going to happen’.” ///
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I will actually disagree with you when you say violence towards teachers is a new phenomena, as I remember various rucks people had with teachers from my own childhood and one instance where someone's mother came in and beat the bejaysus out of a teacher- that was the 1960's, so certianly not recently.
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900 attacks on London teachers alone this year, and 4,372 alleged assaults by students on teachers at primary and secondary schools, recorded by councils over the last Five years.
/// Latest national figures show there were 8,030 assaults on school staff in England by pupils aged between four and 11 in 2011 ///
It has never happened on such a scale or with so much violence before.
900 attacks on London teachers alone this year, and 4,372 alleged assaults by students on teachers at primary and secondary schools, recorded by councils over the last Five years.
/// Latest national figures show there were 8,030 assaults on school staff in England by pupils aged between four and 11 in 2011 ///
It has never happened on such a scale or with so much violence before.
In my school nearly 40 years ago a teacher was duffed up by a pupil. The borstals were full so the boys must have been doing some very naughty things. Incidents are more likely to be collated now. What might have seemed like an isolated attack in 1975 could and probably was happening all over the country.
I guessing you didn't read daily gloom when you were young as the knife attacks and attacks on children which also happened then, also never happened according to you.
I guessing you didn't read daily gloom when you were young as the knife attacks and attacks on children which also happened then, also never happened according to you.
Well there has been a complete turnaround, that's for sure.
In my day teachers could throw chalk, blackboard erasers, pens etc at children. Cane them, push them, offer to rearrange their face.
All of which would be considered wrong today.
As Gromit says this would not be collated back then (it would be a very large number if it was)..........stop scaring yourself with these numbers.
In my day teachers could throw chalk, blackboard erasers, pens etc at children. Cane them, push them, offer to rearrange their face.
All of which would be considered wrong today.
As Gromit says this would not be collated back then (it would be a very large number if it was)..........stop scaring yourself with these numbers.
// The Second World War
Large numbers of prisoners and borstal trainees were released at the outbreak of war and premises converted to other uses. From the autumn of 1940, however, the inmate population began to rise steadily. To ease overcrowding one third remission was introduced as an emergency measure; and the use of open prisons for adults became accepted when it was demonstrated that numbers of adult male prisoners could be trusted in open conditions. In 1945 the average daily population was 14,708 compared with 10,326 in 1939. This unexpectedly high population caused problems while the service was still significantly understaffed. The numbers sentenced to borstal training were high and the inadequate number of places available in borstal institutions meant that many trainees had to spend a considerable period in a local prison waiting for allocation. The deficiencies of the system became the subject of significant criticism in Parliament and the press. //
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The stand out phrase there is The numbers sentenced to borstal training were high . Youth delinquency was high in the 40s. It is high now. I doubt whether there is any difference between the two periods.
And before you go down the 'we should bring back the borstals', they didn't work. Reoffending was high, inmates abscounded and they were not a deterent, rather a badge of honour for lowlifes.
Large numbers of prisoners and borstal trainees were released at the outbreak of war and premises converted to other uses. From the autumn of 1940, however, the inmate population began to rise steadily. To ease overcrowding one third remission was introduced as an emergency measure; and the use of open prisons for adults became accepted when it was demonstrated that numbers of adult male prisoners could be trusted in open conditions. In 1945 the average daily population was 14,708 compared with 10,326 in 1939. This unexpectedly high population caused problems while the service was still significantly understaffed. The numbers sentenced to borstal training were high and the inadequate number of places available in borstal institutions meant that many trainees had to spend a considerable period in a local prison waiting for allocation. The deficiencies of the system became the subject of significant criticism in Parliament and the press. //
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The stand out phrase there is The numbers sentenced to borstal training were high . Youth delinquency was high in the 40s. It is high now. I doubt whether there is any difference between the two periods.
And before you go down the 'we should bring back the borstals', they didn't work. Reoffending was high, inmates abscounded and they were not a deterent, rather a badge of honour for lowlifes.
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But back to the question at hand.
Perhaps (one of) the answers is a lack of parental responsibility and guidance?
You could also point to the breakdown of the traditional family, lack of role models (or even the concurrency of poor role models)?
I'm loathe to blame violent video games and films though - practically everyone I knew at school grew up watching video nasties, and it pretty much didn't affect any of us.
Perhaps (one of) the answers is a lack of parental responsibility and guidance?
You could also point to the breakdown of the traditional family, lack of role models (or even the concurrency of poor role models)?
I'm loathe to blame violent video games and films though - practically everyone I knew at school grew up watching video nasties, and it pretty much didn't affect any of us.
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I'm still in contact with my two most influential teachers from 40+ years ago; they weren't especially violent.
Oddly enough, at a school reunion in 2001 when I mentioned assaults with cricket bats, tennis shoes and 'rope ends' to one of the PE teachers, his memory failed him too.
As far as pupil attacks on teachers, I recall one end-of-year in the early 70s when a departing pupil was stopped by Police on his way to the staff room carrying a pick axe handle he'd already used to destroy a particular teacher's car.
Oddly enough, at a school reunion in 2001 when I mentioned assaults with cricket bats, tennis shoes and 'rope ends' to one of the PE teachers, his memory failed him too.
As far as pupil attacks on teachers, I recall one end-of-year in the early 70s when a departing pupil was stopped by Police on his way to the staff room carrying a pick axe handle he'd already used to destroy a particular teacher's car.
i confess that in my day as a child, teen you would not have misbehaved in class, not ever. It wasn't so much the fear of the cane, though having someone smack you over the hand is pretty painful, it was more than if you got into trouble for whatever reason the parent would be notified, then you would be in the doghouse. I had respect mostly for the teachers in the schools in attended. One was an old duffer, he must have seen war service in WW1, spindly legged and a bark as bad as his bite..
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