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Stephen Lawrence's Brother To Sue Met.
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Should be interesting to see how successful he is in his quest to prove that Met officers only pulled him up because he was black.
Would the individuals who have been arrested under Metropolitan Police’s Operation Yewtree, also have a case, by complaining that they have been arrested because they are white?
Incidentally does anyone find it strange that he chose to go to accused right-wing, racist newspaper The Daily Mail with his story?
/// “I am being targeted because of the colour of my skin, I don’t think it’s because I am Stephen’s brother,” he told the Daily
Mail. ///
Should be interesting to see how successful he is in his quest to prove that Met officers only pulled him up because he was black.
Would the individuals who have been arrested under Metropolitan Police’s Operation Yewtree, also have a case, by complaining that they have been arrested because they are white?
Incidentally does anyone find it strange that he chose to go to accused right-wing, racist newspaper The Daily Mail with his story?
/// “I am being targeted because of the colour of my skin, I don’t think it’s because I am Stephen’s brother,” he told the Daily
Mail. ///
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I've always had a big problem with the whole Stephen Lawrence case. The police mess up a fair few murder enquires not because they are racist but because they are, at times. incompetent. I havent known many cocked up murder cases go as far as a public enquiry. However bad it is to lose anyone in that way at least the Lawrence family got alot more closure than most.
13:43 Wed 09th Jan 2013
Zeuhl
/// the 'poor parenting' and riots of last year caused damage that was a tiny fraction of the damage done to our cities in the period 1939-45 - a period in which the country was managed, overseen and steered according to the principles of earlier generations of parents and greater 'discipline' ///
Are you some sort of self appointed expert of WW2, is that is why you are constantly referring to it?
Did you live during this World War? No I suspect not, have you any idea what pushed us into that conflict, along with the rest of the free world? No I suspect not.
But then if we had been invaded by the Nazis and subsequently lost the war, I suppose you would still be blaming it on the parents, that is of course if you were allowed to.
/// the 'poor parenting' and riots of last year caused damage that was a tiny fraction of the damage done to our cities in the period 1939-45 - a period in which the country was managed, overseen and steered according to the principles of earlier generations of parents and greater 'discipline' ///
Are you some sort of self appointed expert of WW2, is that is why you are constantly referring to it?
Did you live during this World War? No I suspect not, have you any idea what pushed us into that conflict, along with the rest of the free world? No I suspect not.
But then if we had been invaded by the Nazis and subsequently lost the war, I suppose you would still be blaming it on the parents, that is of course if you were allowed to.
I always respect your opinion, but i must question your above statement..........surely THAT damage was done by the Luftwaffe......have i missed your point?/
Thanks sqad for your challenge - politely and intelligently put
My point is simply this:
that comparing one aspect of society today and yesteryear (e.g. the behaviour of young people) can't be viewed in isolation
Yes, the 1940' may have had dutiful school kids who obeyed their teachers and parents without question
but those characteristics also brought about bad things too
it seems clear that if we take a rosy view of the 30s and 40s because of some aspects of life, fair enough, but we do have to acknowledge that if we are viewing it objectively, it was a bit of a mess (depression, mass unemployment, preventable disease, world wars, genocide etc) that puts our present bits of 'unpleasantness' into context and the prevailing values, beliefs and attitudes of the time have to take their share if the responsibility
Thanks sqad for your challenge - politely and intelligently put
My point is simply this:
that comparing one aspect of society today and yesteryear (e.g. the behaviour of young people) can't be viewed in isolation
Yes, the 1940' may have had dutiful school kids who obeyed their teachers and parents without question
but those characteristics also brought about bad things too
it seems clear that if we take a rosy view of the 30s and 40s because of some aspects of life, fair enough, but we do have to acknowledge that if we are viewing it objectively, it was a bit of a mess (depression, mass unemployment, preventable disease, world wars, genocide etc) that puts our present bits of 'unpleasantness' into context and the prevailing values, beliefs and attitudes of the time have to take their share if the responsibility
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/Are you some sort of self appointed expert of WW2, is that is why you are constantly referring to it?/
aog - i refer to WW2 because you frequently compare aspects of today unfavourably with the 30s, 40s and 50s
I would assert that WW2 was the most significant influence on UK society during that period.
Perhaps you disagree with that. if so please explain why you think it not significant and therefore inappropriate to refer to it.
/ have you any idea what pushed us into that conflict, along with the rest of the free world? No I suspect not./
Well I studied it at A Level, have read about it extensively since, my father served in WW2 and my family having endured the Blitz spoke about it to me
/But then if we had been invaded by the Nazis and subsequently lost the war, I suppose you would still be blaming it on the parents/
Err... that doesn't make any sense aog
I refer you to my reply to sqad just above
aog - i refer to WW2 because you frequently compare aspects of today unfavourably with the 30s, 40s and 50s
I would assert that WW2 was the most significant influence on UK society during that period.
Perhaps you disagree with that. if so please explain why you think it not significant and therefore inappropriate to refer to it.
/ have you any idea what pushed us into that conflict, along with the rest of the free world? No I suspect not./
Well I studied it at A Level, have read about it extensively since, my father served in WW2 and my family having endured the Blitz spoke about it to me
/But then if we had been invaded by the Nazis and subsequently lost the war, I suppose you would still be blaming it on the parents/
Err... that doesn't make any sense aog
I refer you to my reply to sqad just above
sp1814
/// Ian Tomlinson comes to mind. ///
/// So does Hillsborough.///
/// I'm sure there are many more. But the face remains, the Stephen Lawrence case is not unique. ///
/// What makes you think it is? ///
Because of the amount of publicity it has received, one could equate it with the missing child Madeleine McCann, some have equally said that there has been many missing children but no other has attracted so much attention as that one.
Just as the Laurence case we have to ask why?
/// Ian Tomlinson comes to mind. ///
/// So does Hillsborough.///
/// I'm sure there are many more. But the face remains, the Stephen Lawrence case is not unique. ///
/// What makes you think it is? ///
Because of the amount of publicity it has received, one could equate it with the missing child Madeleine McCann, some have equally said that there has been many missing children but no other has attracted so much attention as that one.
Just as the Laurence case we have to ask why?
The Stephen Lawrence case was going nowhere until the Daily Mail got involved.
The Daily Mail got involved because the original investigation which was so shoddy involved police officers who had connections to known criminals. It looked as if the connections were corrupt and that was why justice had not been done. The Mail believed the criminals were being protected and they did not like that.
The Mail rightly won awards for their campaign and investigations. I cannot recall of any other instance of them doing so before or since.
It looked as if the
The Daily Mail got involved because the original investigation which was so shoddy involved police officers who had connections to known criminals. It looked as if the connections were corrupt and that was why justice had not been done. The Mail believed the criminals were being protected and they did not like that.
The Mail rightly won awards for their campaign and investigations. I cannot recall of any other instance of them doing so before or since.
It looked as if the
/WW2 ... have you any idea what pushed us into that conflict/
I suspect that the deeply respectful, dutiful, church going, disciplined schoolboys of Germany obeying their parents and teachers and invading Poland without any cheek or back-chat had something to do with it.
I would strongly suggest that the less disciplined and more questioning youth of today's Germany would respond very differently.
I suspect that the deeply respectful, dutiful, church going, disciplined schoolboys of Germany obeying their parents and teachers and invading Poland without any cheek or back-chat had something to do with it.
I would strongly suggest that the less disciplined and more questioning youth of today's Germany would respond very differently.
AOG
I think you've answered your own question. We know why the Hillsborough, Maddie McCann, Ian Tomlinson and Stephen Lawrence cases received publicity...because a) there was public interest in the stories which were driven by people involved who kept the story alive until (with the exception of Maddie McCann) the story reached its conclusion.
The same happened with the Keith Bennett story.
I think you've answered your own question. We know why the Hillsborough, Maddie McCann, Ian Tomlinson and Stephen Lawrence cases received publicity...because a) there was public interest in the stories which were driven by people involved who kept the story alive until (with the exception of Maddie McCann) the story reached its conclusion.
The same happened with the Keith Bennett story.
/Seem to think it had something to do with the mad dreams of an Austrian ex-corporal, who had a dream of world domination and a 1,000 year Third Reich. /
And you think he did that alone do you?
Or perhaps you think he forced it on the rest of Germany?
BTW I've read 'Mein Kampf' have you?
/Any views on the less disciplined and more questioning youth of today's Middle East/
Yes
(Though you are vague about who you have in mind)
The liberal reforms initiated in Egypt and elsewhere were led by 'less disciplined and more questioning youth'
Many of them graduates who had studied at western universities
If you are referring to people who burn western flags, attack embassies, shoot little girls, murder teachers and commit to Jihad
then I think you will find they are prime examples of 'discipline' and 'non questioning' and I'm sure they respect and obey their elders in the way you admire so much.
And you think he did that alone do you?
Or perhaps you think he forced it on the rest of Germany?
BTW I've read 'Mein Kampf' have you?
/Any views on the less disciplined and more questioning youth of today's Middle East/
Yes
(Though you are vague about who you have in mind)
The liberal reforms initiated in Egypt and elsewhere were led by 'less disciplined and more questioning youth'
Many of them graduates who had studied at western universities
If you are referring to people who burn western flags, attack embassies, shoot little girls, murder teachers and commit to Jihad
then I think you will find they are prime examples of 'discipline' and 'non questioning' and I'm sure they respect and obey their elders in the way you admire so much.
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/// And you think he did that alone do you?
Or perhaps you think he forced it on the rest of Germany? ///
Since he was the Chancellor of Germany, and surrounded himself with similar mad men, yes I do.
/// BTW I've read 'Mein Kampf' have you? ///
And doesn't that translate to 'My Struggle' also wrote by Adolph Hitler?
Or perhaps you think he forced it on the rest of Germany? ///
Since he was the Chancellor of Germany, and surrounded himself with similar mad men, yes I do.
/// BTW I've read 'Mein Kampf' have you? ///
And doesn't that translate to 'My Struggle' also wrote by Adolph Hitler?
// Any views on the less disciplined and more questioning youth of today's Middle East? //
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Bahrain
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Iran
Iraq
Iraqi Kurdistan (autonomy within Iraq)
Israel
Jordan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Northern Cyprus
Oman
State of Palestine
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Syria
Turkey
United Arab Emirates
Yemen
Greater Middle East
Afghanistan1
Algeria
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Comoros
Djibouti
Georgia
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Libya
Mauritania
Morocco
Pakistan
Somalia
Sudan
Tajikistan
Tunisia
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan
Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic (not recognized)
The majority of these nations are friendly to us.
Bahrain
Cyprus
Egypt
Iran
Iraq
Iraqi Kurdistan (autonomy within Iraq)
Israel
Jordan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Northern Cyprus
Oman
State of Palestine
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Syria
Turkey
United Arab Emirates
Yemen
Greater Middle East
Afghanistan1
Algeria
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Comoros
Djibouti
Georgia
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Libya
Mauritania
Morocco
Pakistan
Somalia
Sudan
Tajikistan
Tunisia
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan
Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic (not recognized)
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