If They Are Found To Be True, How Can Some Commit Such Acts?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263924/Youngest-sex-gang-victim-11-branded-hairpin-sick-sex-monsters-plied-drugs.html

If these allegations are true, then it puts Saville's 'fumblings' to pale into insignificance.

[VHG]

Shocking though it is it is still an ongoing case so we should not comment.

[emmie]

you are kidding, Savile's fumblings, would you call rape that, gosh the mind boggles.

[emmie]

because they can, because some in our society don't care, that some in our society have been getting away with it for years, because the social services are stretched to the max, because many are not believed when they do report these crimes, because it's vile, but common.

[chelle7272]

I'm pretty sure the victims of Savile's 'fumblings', won't consider it insignificant

[Gromit]

// it puts Saville's 'fumblings' to pale into insignificance. //

That is a matter of opinion. I am sure many youngsters that Saville "fumbled" as you quaintly put it would agree it was insignificant.

Saville is alleged to have molested dying people in an Hospice. That is equally as shocking to me.

[Gromit]

That is a matter of opinion. I am NOT sure many youngsters that Saville "fumbled" as you quaintly put it would agree it was insignificant.

[emmie]

and raping girls as well as boys, come on for heavens sake, don't let that vile man be thought of as anything but a paedophile, pervert.

[anotheoldgit]

em10

/// you are kidding, Savile's fumblings, would you call rape that, gosh the mind boggles.///

Don't you start Em, you know perfectly well were I am coming from, did you not notice that I put the word in inverted comers?

[ummmm]

Are you serious?

[boxtops]

The sad thing in that report is that the girls are described as vulnerable, and one thought her pimp loved her. It's enormously sad that a child seeking love can be so abused.

[emmie]

AOG, i don't usually, but that is a useless word fumblings, that denotes some teenage petting, not large scale abuse of young people.

[youngmafbog]

Ah yes Saville the one tried and found guilty by the media.

I am not saying he is not guilty but lets get some perspective here, things are being quoted on here as actually happening when they are 'alleged'. Alleged does not mean they happened and I can almost guarantee some of the allegations will be compo and attention seekers.

[emmie]

strangely enough i don't think so, i reckon he is bang to rights, that if anything there are more who were abused by this man. I was working at the BBC when he was around, and the stories abounded about him way back then. Children fear they won't be believed, and so often they are not..

[ummmm]

I would guess that the majority are not after compensation. It's comments like youngmafbog's that encourages people to come forward just to confirm what others are alleging.

[anotheoldgit]

/// 'branded with initial of her abuser' ///

/// sold to a child trafficker ///

/// repeatedly raped by large groups of men in what she described as ‘torture sex’, ///

/// child rape, sexual trafficking and child prostitution. ///

/// bought the youngest victim from an unnamed man just after her 11th birthday. ///

/// He befriended her with gifts of perfume and hard drugs but then began to beat her up and raped her ///

/// He branded her with one of her hair pins, which he had twisted into the shape of an ‘M’ and heated with a cigarette lighter. It left a scar on her left buttock. ///

/// If she had the temerity to resist, he beat her. ///

/// Sometimes she was injected with heroin or given date drugs to ensure she complied with the gang’s sick demands, it was alleged. ///

/// Just after her 12th birthday the girl told Karrar she was carrying his child. He allegedly beat her up and then took her to a house in Reading where she was given a ‘backroom abortion’ using a crochet hook. ///

All allegations that is true, but so are Saville's, the difference being these allegations are going to be proven true or untrue in a court of law.

[emmie]

both are vile and shocking, what more can one add.

[Svejk]

'I reckon'
'I would guess'
Exactly the point ymfb? was making.

[sp1814]

AOG

Fumblings????

Christ almighty.

Seriously.

[sp1814]

With regard to your question:

"If They Are Found To Be True, How Can Some Commit Such Acts?"

Well isn't it obvious?

Think about it for a moment.

[anotheoldgit]

em10

Woe betide me if I seem to be defending Saville, I never liked him even when he was the hero to most.

But let's get things right Em you say you "worked for the BBC when he was around, and the stories abounded about him way back then".

So the only proof you have is 'hearsay' and I am afraid that would not be allowed in a court of law.

Also if the stories about him were so widespread around the BBC, how come he became so popular, surely those who eagerly gathered around him on his shows, not to mention those in high-places would have been equally knowledgeable of these stories?