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Who should we believe, someone that actually lives in Boston, and who has person experience of the problem, or some Cambridge University classics professor?
Who should we believe, someone that actually lives in Boston, and who has person experience of the problem, or some Cambridge University classics professor?
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“…what would happen if the Poles and other Eastern European workers suddenly stopped coming over to do the menial work that we won't do? “ We could then point out to those who “will not do” the menial work that jobs are available and they can either get out of bed in the morning to do them or face having their benefits stopped. The students to which sp...
15:04 Sat 19th Jan 2013
i have long held the view that much can be done about drunkenness and loutish behaviour in Britain, but the civil liberties brigade will come down on it like a ton of bricks. First if a lad or lass is puking their guts up in the street, they be taken to a drunk tank, not the hospital. I have seen too many there, and it's an ugly sight. second that when they are sober, they pay a fine, covers the police time, and coffee they will need to get sober. They will most certainly be stung by the costs, say 50 quid, they won't do it again believe me, thus saving the police, paramedics time, money. There are drawbacks to this, but quite honestly if you want to stop this from happening, and get the police back to being policemen and not nursemaids to a lot of drunken hooligans, then that is one way.
If a person is ill and they need hospital care, then they shouldn't have to be subjected to this stupid drunker behaviour. Having witnessed it myself in A&E when i was very ill, i can safely say that those fighting, stinking drunk needed a good kick up the rear.
If a person is ill and they need hospital care, then they shouldn't have to be subjected to this stupid drunker behaviour. Having witnessed it myself in A&E when i was very ill, i can safely say that those fighting, stinking drunk needed a good kick up the rear.
em10
That is what happens at the moment. The police on the scene have to establish whether a person is merely drunk, or if they could be in danger and require medical treatment.
Those who are merely drunk and/or have caused a public nuisance offence will be taken to their local station, which effectively becomes a drunk tank.
Those who need their stomachs punch (as an example) will be taken to A&E.
Reimbursement is a tricky concept.
If we charge those who indulge too much and have to be taken to hospital, then the natural extension of that would be to charge everyone who relies on the fire service to extinguish fires caused by negligence.
And effectively, we are already paying for these services through our taxes.
That is what happens at the moment. The police on the scene have to establish whether a person is merely drunk, or if they could be in danger and require medical treatment.
Those who are merely drunk and/or have caused a public nuisance offence will be taken to their local station, which effectively becomes a drunk tank.
Those who need their stomachs punch (as an example) will be taken to A&E.
Reimbursement is a tricky concept.
If we charge those who indulge too much and have to be taken to hospital, then the natural extension of that would be to charge everyone who relies on the fire service to extinguish fires caused by negligence.
And effectively, we are already paying for these services through our taxes.
"Not our problem, we have enough problems of our own, without adding to them".
It's EVERYBODY'S problem if there are parts of the world where there is a lot of suffering poverty and corruption especially if it includes severe poverty and two thirds of a country below the poverty line. I assume you are of the "charity starts at home" thinking, well I'm not. AFAIC charity begins where it is most needed.
This is the crux of why I clash with you AOG, what I see in you, regardless of whether you see yourself as 'right wing' or whatever is a lack of compassion and understanding of human suffering. Don't take it personally, I am only reacting to what you write and I don't presume that this is a reflection of how you are IRL.
It's EVERYBODY'S problem if there are parts of the world where there is a lot of suffering poverty and corruption especially if it includes severe poverty and two thirds of a country below the poverty line. I assume you are of the "charity starts at home" thinking, well I'm not. AFAIC charity begins where it is most needed.
This is the crux of why I clash with you AOG, what I see in you, regardless of whether you see yourself as 'right wing' or whatever is a lack of compassion and understanding of human suffering. Don't take it personally, I am only reacting to what you write and I don't presume that this is a reflection of how you are IRL.
"And don't you just love it, 76 posts so far, which would you rather have subjects that create widespread debate or posts on the price of vegetables, attracting perhaps 3 posts max"?
I think it's more *you* that loves it, I just react the way I naturally would and most of the time I'm not really that bothered.
I have posted (and answered) my fair share of in-depth topics but you sir, more often than not post reactions to supposed 'injustices' usually involving foreigners and if that's mostly what floats your boat, then I'm afraid you're going to have to put up with some responses you might not like, live with it or talk about something else for a change. I bet even you and I have some common ground interests when politics are put to one side.
I think it's more *you* that loves it, I just react the way I naturally would and most of the time I'm not really that bothered.
I have posted (and answered) my fair share of in-depth topics but you sir, more often than not post reactions to supposed 'injustices' usually involving foreigners and if that's mostly what floats your boat, then I'm afraid you're going to have to put up with some responses you might not like, live with it or talk about something else for a change. I bet even you and I have some common ground interests when politics are put to one side.
Whoever you believe to be right, the fact remains that there has been a large population increase in Boston, borne out by the report author's own figures, which came from the census. But however creaking the various infrastructures might be in the locality, or indeed however much of that is attributable to any population increase rather than recession-induced spending cuts, the fact remains that they are still functioning and providing a service.
Until the services can no longer cope and deaths begin to occur, nothing is going to change.
Until the services can no longer cope and deaths begin to occur, nothing is going to change.
"...that woman came across as an obnoxious bigot.."
Come come, ichkeria. A couple of definitions of "bigot":
"A person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion."
"A person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong"
Mrs Bull struck me as extremely tolerant. She has tolerated enormous changes in the town in which she lives and works, many of which were imposed without the consent of the local population. She has tolerated vagrants camping rough on her family’s land, leaving their filth and detritus everywhere. She has tolerated her local hospital reaching breaking point because of strains placed on it by an influx of newcomers. But she goes on to say that she and her father (who speaks Polish) tried to help them and that she feels for the younger immigrants who have been lured to the UK with false promises of work and accommodation. All she did was to disagree with some of the panel members (who were perhaps not as well qualified as she to comment) when they tried to minimise some of the problems she highlighted
Her beliefs may be strong (and it sometimes takes people by surprise these days when one expresses strong beliefs) but are they so unreasonable?
Come come, ichkeria. A couple of definitions of "bigot":
"A person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion."
"A person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong"
Mrs Bull struck me as extremely tolerant. She has tolerated enormous changes in the town in which she lives and works, many of which were imposed without the consent of the local population. She has tolerated vagrants camping rough on her family’s land, leaving their filth and detritus everywhere. She has tolerated her local hospital reaching breaking point because of strains placed on it by an influx of newcomers. But she goes on to say that she and her father (who speaks Polish) tried to help them and that she feels for the younger immigrants who have been lured to the UK with false promises of work and accommodation. All she did was to disagree with some of the panel members (who were perhaps not as well qualified as she to comment) when they tried to minimise some of the problems she highlighted
Her beliefs may be strong (and it sometimes takes people by surprise these days when one expresses strong beliefs) but are they so unreasonable?
Well, different people will have different impressions New Judge: that was my honest impression (I stress "impression") and plainly you and some others think differently. It was pretty obvious what David Dimbleby thought of her, although of course he's a Stalinist BBC apparatchik so that doesn't count, I know :-). I had to smile when she touted her Polish roots - as if that made what she was saying any better.
Like I say I know Boston has huge problems with immigrants, but I suppose a town where there's not much else to do but pick vegetables is going to be ripe (so to speak) for attracting the most desperate people.
Like I say I know Boston has huge problems with immigrants, but I suppose a town where there's not much else to do but pick vegetables is going to be ripe (so to speak) for attracting the most desperate people.
Answerprancer
Thank you for a much more 'friendlier' attitude.
But please let me make a few points. I do not in anyway lack compassion and understanding of human suffering.
But merely reflect on the issues of my country, the one's I see all around me, surely that is not bad thing?
You criticise me for my "charity starts at home" thinking. but isn't that what most of us should give first priority to?
To bring it right close to home, shouldn't everyone think first of the needs of those we hold dear, and make sure that we attend to their needs first, before we consider those who live at the 'bottom of the street'?
Surely the needs of our own are much more important, that is human nature, no may I correct that? not just humans, but also those in the animal world, a lioness for example would not neglect her own born, so as to suckle some other lioness's cubs.
Do you still think that "charity starts at home" thinking, is all that bad?
To 'feed the world' is a very noble and honourable attitude, but is it all that practical?
Thank you for a much more 'friendlier' attitude.
But please let me make a few points. I do not in anyway lack compassion and understanding of human suffering.
But merely reflect on the issues of my country, the one's I see all around me, surely that is not bad thing?
You criticise me for my "charity starts at home" thinking. but isn't that what most of us should give first priority to?
To bring it right close to home, shouldn't everyone think first of the needs of those we hold dear, and make sure that we attend to their needs first, before we consider those who live at the 'bottom of the street'?
Surely the needs of our own are much more important, that is human nature, no may I correct that? not just humans, but also those in the animal world, a lioness for example would not neglect her own born, so as to suckle some other lioness's cubs.
Do you still think that "charity starts at home" thinking, is all that bad?
To 'feed the world' is a very noble and honourable attitude, but is it all that practical?
sp1814
Of course not, but look after one's own first and then if anything is left, offer it around.
But while we still have our old dying from the cold, people living on the streets, soup kitchens for the hungry, and communities raising money to send some seriously ill child to America for a life saving operation, such places as Africa seem a long way away.
Of course not, but look after one's own first and then if anything is left, offer it around.
But while we still have our old dying from the cold, people living on the streets, soup kitchens for the hungry, and communities raising money to send some seriously ill child to America for a life saving operation, such places as Africa seem a long way away.
sp sorry to not get back before, but no that doesn't happen, those who have had far too much to drink usually end up in A and E. I have had to wait in there more than once, and can say the paramedics are brilliant, whilst witnessing brawling, drunks being sick, drug addicts totally off their heads, screaming the place down, it isn't a place for the faint hearted. This was on the night shift, and if i hadn't needed to be there i wouldn't have.
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