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I was shocked when I first saw this video too. His victim was lucky to suffer only relatively minor injuries. Absolutely right that someone willing to offer such random violence to innocent bystanders is separated from humanity. This attempted defence of his action - "Prosecutor Joel Smith told the court Ayoade said she had "looked at him in a rude way" and...
13:31 Tue 26th Feb 2013
No jake, such acts are not solely confined to foreigners. But here's the difference I think some of the correspondents are seeking to make:
In the UK we have to put up (and deal) with appalling behaviour by people born and bred here. It goes with the job and the days we could ship miscreants off to Australia are long gone. However, people that choose to settle here for whatever reason are actually enjoying this country's hospitality. Many of them have no automatic right to remain here (in fact many of them have no right to be here at all). It is therefore perfectly reasonable and legitimate for the UK to seek to expel somebody who has abused our hospitality. Imagine if you spied somebody whom you had invited into your house sticking your cutlery in his jacket pocket. I imagine you'd ask him to leave sharpish, though you would not automatically treat your own children in the same way.
To argue that because British people commit crimes there is no reason why foreigners who do likewise should be allowed to remain here somewhat misses the point. The Brits we have to put up with, foreigners we should not. I'm not sure of Mr Ayoade's status as none of the reports I have read provides that information. But if he can be removed he should (though no doubt Article 8 will rear its ugly head in a couple of year's time). We have enough trouble dealing with home grown criminals without having to deal with the imported variety.
In the UK we have to put up (and deal) with appalling behaviour by people born and bred here. It goes with the job and the days we could ship miscreants off to Australia are long gone. However, people that choose to settle here for whatever reason are actually enjoying this country's hospitality. Many of them have no automatic right to remain here (in fact many of them have no right to be here at all). It is therefore perfectly reasonable and legitimate for the UK to seek to expel somebody who has abused our hospitality. Imagine if you spied somebody whom you had invited into your house sticking your cutlery in his jacket pocket. I imagine you'd ask him to leave sharpish, though you would not automatically treat your own children in the same way.
To argue that because British people commit crimes there is no reason why foreigners who do likewise should be allowed to remain here somewhat misses the point. The Brits we have to put up with, foreigners we should not. I'm not sure of Mr Ayoade's status as none of the reports I have read provides that information. But if he can be removed he should (though no doubt Article 8 will rear its ugly head in a couple of year's time). We have enough trouble dealing with home grown criminals without having to deal with the imported variety.
I was shocked when I first saw this video too. His victim was lucky to suffer only relatively minor injuries.
Absolutely right that someone willing to offer such random violence to innocent bystanders is separated from humanity.
This attempted defence of his action - "Prosecutor Joel Smith told the court Ayoade said she had "looked at him in a rude way" and that he could not go through the rest of the day having taken "an insult from a little person like that" - Is obvious garbage. No excuse at all for acting in such an appalling manner.
This "respect" business that seems to pre-occupy so many young people - it is routinely used to excuse violent reprisals and attacks, often for what is an imagined slight or insult - Is a really worrying cultural development.
Absolutely right that someone willing to offer such random violence to innocent bystanders is separated from humanity.
This attempted defence of his action - "Prosecutor Joel Smith told the court Ayoade said she had "looked at him in a rude way" and that he could not go through the rest of the day having taken "an insult from a little person like that" - Is obvious garbage. No excuse at all for acting in such an appalling manner.
This "respect" business that seems to pre-occupy so many young people - it is routinely used to excuse violent reprisals and attacks, often for what is an imagined slight or insult - Is a really worrying cultural development.
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and having just seen that in the Ecclstone blackmail case 4 years was dished out where no physical harm was done, It shows how yet again a lenient sentence is dished up by another pathetic soft in the head judge in what so easily could have been a murder.
and having just seen that in the Ecclstone blackmail case 4 years was dished out where no physical harm was done, It shows how yet again a lenient sentence is dished up by another pathetic soft in the head judge in what so easily could have been a murder.
"This "respect" business that seems to pre-occupy so many young people - it is routinely used to excuse violent reprisals and attacks, often for what is an imagined slight or insult - Is a really worrying cultural development. "
and we all know who and where this all really started dont we boys and girls ?!
and we all know who and where this all really started dont we boys and girls ?!
First point I'd like to make is this is a rather excellent sentence for a man who is obviously a danger to the public.
When I saw the report of this incident last year, I thought he'd probably get a year or so in prison. Four years is a decent amount of time...and let's not assume that a thug like that will actually be out in two years, because what are the chances he will exhibit 'good behaviour' in jail?
New Judge - he may originally have been born in Nigeria, but may not have had any say on where he was to settle. He may have come here as a child.
Also I believe your analogy may be a little off.
Immigrants aren't 'guests in our house'. It's not like having someone over for the evening, where we lay on drink and food and slap a DVD in to watch over coffee.
It's closer to say that immigrants are like someone invited in to pay part of the mortgage and share the costs of upkeeping the house.
When I saw the report of this incident last year, I thought he'd probably get a year or so in prison. Four years is a decent amount of time...and let's not assume that a thug like that will actually be out in two years, because what are the chances he will exhibit 'good behaviour' in jail?
New Judge - he may originally have been born in Nigeria, but may not have had any say on where he was to settle. He may have come here as a child.
Also I believe your analogy may be a little off.
Immigrants aren't 'guests in our house'. It's not like having someone over for the evening, where we lay on drink and food and slap a DVD in to watch over coffee.
It's closer to say that immigrants are like someone invited in to pay part of the mortgage and share the costs of upkeeping the house.
daffy654
I'm with you on this. The whole cannabis a booze excuse is just that - an excuse. It's possible that the drug exacerbated his already violent tendencies, but you know what? If that's the case, then don't do the drugs!
I myself know that once I have a few glasses of wine in me, I feel compelled to do 'dad dancing', which is why I avoid drinking at office parties. People should be aware of, and in charge of their failings.
I'm with you on this. The whole cannabis a booze excuse is just that - an excuse. It's possible that the drug exacerbated his already violent tendencies, but you know what? If that's the case, then don't do the drugs!
I myself know that once I have a few glasses of wine in me, I feel compelled to do 'dad dancing', which is why I avoid drinking at office parties. People should be aware of, and in charge of their failings.
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