In The Circumstances Was It Right To Suspend These Staff?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2284735/Head-teacher-staff-suspended-locking-knife-wielding-year-old-pupil-cupboard-HIS-parents-complain-police.html

[VHG]

I wonder what would have happened if they had NOT put him in the cupboard and he had been allowed to run riot with the knife and stabbed a number of children or teachers.

I bet the teachers would have been told off for NOT taking the knife off him and putting him in the cupboard.

Yet again the "guilty" person (the child) seems to be let off and the people trying to dicipline him shown as the guilty ones.

[emmie]

no they shouldn't have been suspended, a nine year old out of control child holding a knife, what else should they have done, and saying it's a cupboard is a bit misleading, a small room, with a lockable door, hardly Oliver Twist.

[jake-the-peg]

They have a 'home office approved' "naughty cupboard" ?

Since when were schools equipped with cells?

//There are also concerns from the local council that staff had sent other pupils to the box room whenever they misbehaved in class.//


So what we're saying is that the teachers here were making a habit of locking children up in a cupboard/cell/room when they misbehaved and this knife incident brout it to attention?

Sounds distinctly non-standard behaviour to me.

With regards to the kife incident - if this was as serious as made out the proper response should have been to call the police I'd have thought


Difficult to see through the Mails' warping here - more details of this room might help

[emmie]

there are any number of papers, news reports on this not just the mail.

[daffy654]

Could the police have done anything as the child is under the age of criminal responsibility? Maybe the parents should have been summoned to deal with their knife wielding offspring.

[jake-the-peg]

Checked Mirror, Sky and BBC

Only the Mail seems to have the knife story

https://www.google.com/news?ncl=dcKoLXltGuuaa1MQGVukESQtfbfEM&q=revoe&;lr=English&hl=en

[emmie]

where was the child going to go whilst someone was phoning the family

[emmie]

perhaps there is now an embargo on it,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-21584219

[New Judge]

Try this from that well known Right Wing rag, The Guardian, Jake:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/feb/26/blackpool-school-staff-pupil-wellbeing?INTCMP=SRCH

I note that the council defends its actions saying "The suspensions are a neutral act to allow a full investigation to take place as quickly as possible." I wonder if the boy has been suspended in a similarly "neutral act" and I wonder how this act will impact on the teachers' careers should they be leared of any wrongdoing.

[paddywak]

If I'd done that as a kid, I'd have got a thick ear from the teacher and another from my dad when I got home. It's a pity the PC brigade have nothing better to do with their time then stopping people try to do their jobs. The poor teachers these days are in a no win situation they, restrain a knife wielding kid and they're in trouble and if they did nothing and he'd stabbed somebody they'd still be in trouble.

[anotheoldgit]

jake-the-peg

/// With regards to the kife incident - if this was as serious as made out the proper response should have been to call the police I'd have thought ///

And in the meantime while waiting for the police, how many children or staff would he have stabbed?

[emmie]

it was on the news just now, reiterating the fact that the staff have been suspended whilst the police are looking into the matter,

[emmie]

i wonder what they consider challenging behaviour?

[bazwillrun]

"So what we're saying is that the teachers here were making a habit of locking children up in a cupboard/cell/room when they misbehaved and this knife incident brout it to attention? "

nobody has said that...you are imlpying it, and as usual you will defend the wrongdoer, in this case a person brandishing a knife, even if it is a kid (out of control brat).

They did the right thing lock the little tyke up where he cant hurt anybody with the knife.

no doubt if he had of managed to stab anybody youd be saying it was their own fault for trying to take the knife off of him or some other tripe you usually come out with to weakly attempt to defend the wrongdoers actions.

instead of the police and all the useless other council bureaucrats that will now be involved investigating the teachers at the school, they should be telling the parents to discipline the brat and take his playstation away for a few weeks as punishmnet

[jake-the-peg]

I don't see any mention of a knife in the Guardian report either.

Why is the Mail the only paper that is reporting a knife?

Was it a primary school plastic one?

Did it exist at all?

[anotheoldgit]

Thanks for that link Judge,

The Guardian were good enough to provide us with a south view of Blackpool's Pleasure Beach, pity they didn't look north and show the Tower so as to make Blackpool a little more recognisable, for us Tory Toffs.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/2/26/1361889467446/Blackpool-Lancashire-010.jpg

/// Blackpool. According to the Blackpool Gazette, the alarm was raised over claims that a child was placed in a room said by one parent to be the size of a cupboard. Photograph: Christopher Thomond for the Guardian ///

[New Judge]

Yes, apologies Jake. I was not aware until after I'd posted that it was the knife aspect with which you were mainly concerned.

[emmie]

now i have known the mail to be a little bit careful with the truth, but in all honesty is it possible they invented the boy, the knife incident, or is it that this was a real incident that has now been hushed for the moment until the matter of the head and staff is fully investigated by the police. If it was more than once that a child had been locked in the room because of bad behaviour, then surely that is what they are looking at too.

[jake-the-peg]

I'm concerned with 2 aspects:

- The knife or lack thereof because this seems to be the justification that most people here are seizing on (suspiciously absent from all other reports)

- The details of this room/cupboard whatever - the cupboard term is similarly ambiguous attributed to one parent and there's a ton of difference between locking someone in a vacant room and a broom cupboard and whereabouts this comes between the two is particularly pertinent.


I'd imagine that's all rather key to the investigation

You'll excuse me if I suspend judgement until such questions are answered rather than just let the Mail lead me by the nose

[jake-the-peg]

em - I doubt they'd invent the boy with the knife

I would believe they'd report juicy tattle tale and rumour in such a case without checking too carefully first.

Maybe they're accurate and have scooped everyone else - it happens

But without attribution I'm suspicious