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Would You Dare To Confront Some Of Today's Yobs?
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What causes 'some' of the youth of today to be so violent, I say 'today' because no matter what some of you might say, it never happened when I was a youth?
What causes 'some' of the youth of today to be so violent, I say 'today' because no matter what some of you might say, it never happened when I was a youth?
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Well....for what it is worth.....I lived through the late 40's was a student in the East End of London in the 50's (Kray era) and was never scared of walking through the backstreets of Whitechapel and Hackney.....
12:49 Thu 14th Mar 2013
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No, I doubt I would have the courage, I am sorry to say, although it might depend on exactly what was going on.
As to your nonsense about "it never happened when i was a youth" - You must have a faulty or selective memory then, AoG, or walked around without seeing. Gangs and violent confrontation have been around since forever; Plenty of evidence to show youth, extreme violence and gangs throughout modern history, from Victorian England through to mods and rockers, to football hooligans and violence on the terraces, through to territory/respect/drugs inspired violence of today.
All such gangs share some common roots. throughout modern history; disaffected young males, a desire to belong, a pathological need for "respect", stemming from a subconscious recognition of lack of self-worth, fierce defence of their own territory/team. background normally rooted in social deprivation.an almost pathological suspension of empathy.
As to your nonsense about "it never happened when i was a youth" - You must have a faulty or selective memory then, AoG, or walked around without seeing. Gangs and violent confrontation have been around since forever; Plenty of evidence to show youth, extreme violence and gangs throughout modern history, from Victorian England through to mods and rockers, to football hooligans and violence on the terraces, through to territory/respect/drugs inspired violence of today.
All such gangs share some common roots. throughout modern history; disaffected young males, a desire to belong, a pathological need for "respect", stemming from a subconscious recognition of lack of self-worth, fierce defence of their own territory/team. background normally rooted in social deprivation.an almost pathological suspension of empathy.
Like Mcfluff, it would depend on the situation and how old the kids were as to whether I thought I could take them on.
I once berated a guy for spitting in the street (the words just came out of my mouth without even thinking) and immediately regretted saying anything. He didn't do anything other than swear at me but I felt like he would if he wanted to.
Equally I've had a go at a group of gobby kids swearing in a public place and they quickly dropped their hard man act.
I once berated a guy for spitting in the street (the words just came out of my mouth without even thinking) and immediately regretted saying anything. He didn't do anything other than swear at me but I felt like he would if he wanted to.
Equally I've had a go at a group of gobby kids swearing in a public place and they quickly dropped their hard man act.
I think one of the problems nowadays is that young people have never been "told off".
We seem to want to "protect" children from everything, and to protect them we never (or rarely) tell them off, or tell them they cant have what they want.
When someone does they dont know how to deal with it, so turn quickly to violence.
I remember before Christmas reading a question from a father who had been TOLD by his children (who were I think 8 and 10) that they both wanted laptops for Christmas.
He was panicking about how he was going to afford £600 or whatever to buy laptops for both his children. He was almost too scared to tell them they could not have them.
We are bringing up a generation of children who always seem to get what they want, and throw a (violent) tantrum when they dont get it.
We seem to want to "protect" children from everything, and to protect them we never (or rarely) tell them off, or tell them they cant have what they want.
When someone does they dont know how to deal with it, so turn quickly to violence.
I remember before Christmas reading a question from a father who had been TOLD by his children (who were I think 8 and 10) that they both wanted laptops for Christmas.
He was panicking about how he was going to afford £600 or whatever to buy laptops for both his children. He was almost too scared to tell them they could not have them.
We are bringing up a generation of children who always seem to get what they want, and throw a (violent) tantrum when they dont get it.
I think you have to weigh up how safe it is but generally yes I do. I live part of the time in England and part in Germany and one of the main differences between the two are that in every but the worst areas in Germany the streets are much cleaner, bad behaviour is less and that's because evrybody will challenge it, which I haven't seen here so much.
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Well the Daily Mail are challenging it. And look at the reaction from the resident lefties.
AOG, not sure quite how old a 'Git' you are but you must have seen the Teds or if older then realized the youth were heavily engaged in directing their violence at the Hun.
Perhaps that is the difference, we have not had a good war to get rid of the cannon fodder so it's walking round our streets. And thanks to the liberal left having taken over the Judiciary, with impunity.
AOG, not sure quite how old a 'Git' you are but you must have seen the Teds or if older then realized the youth were heavily engaged in directing their violence at the Hun.
Perhaps that is the difference, we have not had a good war to get rid of the cannon fodder so it's walking round our streets. And thanks to the liberal left having taken over the Judiciary, with impunity.
Well....for what it is worth.....I lived through the late 40's was a student in the East End of London in the 50's (Kray era) and was never scared of walking through the backstreets of Whitechapel and Hackney......I wouldn't do it today.
I was brought up by my Grandparents in the most deprived part of a large city in the UK and none of the family were scared of going out at night......not so now.
There were radio, newspapers and journalists out for a good scoop and there were good scoops, but nothing compared with the violence that we see in our streets today
Yes.....anecdotal and possibly the view of someone with faulty or selective memory............but at least I was there......didn't just read about it.
I was brought up by my Grandparents in the most deprived part of a large city in the UK and none of the family were scared of going out at night......not so now.
There were radio, newspapers and journalists out for a good scoop and there were good scoops, but nothing compared with the violence that we see in our streets today
Yes.....anecdotal and possibly the view of someone with faulty or selective memory............but at least I was there......didn't just read about it.
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I would.
And have.
A group of lads had followed a young man onto a bus that I was on after he'd kissed his boyfriend goodbye at a bus stop.
They started shouting homophobic abuse at him, so I got involved.
I think it depends on how angry you get in the heat of the moment. If I saw someone vandalizing a bus stop, it wouldn't raise my hackles. But if I saw someone being attacked by a group, it would.
Funny thing about that incident was that I ended up fighting, the attackers whilst the lad who was being attacked slipped away!
The sod.
And have.
A group of lads had followed a young man onto a bus that I was on after he'd kissed his boyfriend goodbye at a bus stop.
They started shouting homophobic abuse at him, so I got involved.
I think it depends on how angry you get in the heat of the moment. If I saw someone vandalizing a bus stop, it wouldn't raise my hackles. But if I saw someone being attacked by a group, it would.
Funny thing about that incident was that I ended up fighting, the attackers whilst the lad who was being attacked slipped away!
The sod.
LazyGun
/// Plenty of evidence to show youth, extreme violence and gangs throughout modern history, from Victorian England through to mods and rockers, to football hooligans and violence on the terraces, ///
We do not need go back as far as Victorian England, or Scotland, Wales, for that matter, might as well say Elizabethan England.
Mods and Rockers had their faults as well as the Teddy Boys but only amongst them selves they would never carry out an attack such as this, just as your other comparison that being Football hooligans, incidentally there were no of these again in my day, and neither violence on the terraces.
/// through to territory/respect/drugs inspired violence of today.///
Now there you may have come up with the answer.
/// All such gangs share some common roots. throughout modern history; disaffected young males, ///
And not specifically MALES, some of today's Females can also be quite violent.
/// Plenty of evidence to show youth, extreme violence and gangs throughout modern history, from Victorian England through to mods and rockers, to football hooligans and violence on the terraces, ///
We do not need go back as far as Victorian England, or Scotland, Wales, for that matter, might as well say Elizabethan England.
Mods and Rockers had their faults as well as the Teddy Boys but only amongst them selves they would never carry out an attack such as this, just as your other comparison that being Football hooligans, incidentally there were no of these again in my day, and neither violence on the terraces.
/// through to territory/respect/drugs inspired violence of today.///
Now there you may have come up with the answer.
/// All such gangs share some common roots. throughout modern history; disaffected young males, ///
And not specifically MALES, some of today's Females can also be quite violent.
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