Should These Teachers Be Allowed To Teach Our Children.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2307040/Margaret-Thatcher-protests-Teachers-hatred-The-drama-mistress-masted-Milibands-school-helped-organise-Maggie-death-parties.html

Much has been said about the brainwashing of our children by 'nasty left' teachers, here two prime examples have been exposed.

One a member of The Socialist Workers Party is described as a special needs teacher, it would seem he is in need of some sort of 'special teaching', in the correct way to conduct himself.

The other well what can we say about her when she comes out with disgusting terms as this ‘Who wants to p*** on her grave?’

Both should be given their 'marching orders' but I doubt they will.

[sp1814]

Apology even...

[LazyGun]

@Danger - You keep referring to "The Left" as some sort of homogenous whole. Some on the left might indeed wax apoplectic at the spectre of the EDL holding death parties for Mandela - but not all.

What makes me laugh is that you have such a binary and polarised perception of politics...

[New Judge]

Ms Blyth’s hatred of Mrs Thatcher is perfectly understandable. She was all of eleven years old when Mrs T became Prime Minister and was in a perfect position to understand what had happened in the UK in the previous ten years which had led to the Conservatives’ 1979 election victory. As well as this apparently her hatred of the former Prime Minster stems from being told “she might never find work when leaving school in 1984”.

Well she did find work and it’s about time she got over it. The danger is that a person whose mind was so easily poisoned is now teaching children with problems. I wonder how she explains her current pupils’ future work prospects.

Fortunately few people take cranks like Ms Blythe too seriously, but her charges probably do and the fact that she is teaching children is extremely worrying. It is more than disturbing to hear young children’s comments about Mrs Thatcher. In the past I’ve heard, from quite young children, such things as “Yes, she was the one who hated all the workers”, “She was the one who starved the workers to death”, “She was the one who sent all our soldiers to their graves”. True, the children may have gained these views by listening to people other than their teachers, but I doubt it. It does not really instil me with much confidence in State education, I’m afraid (not that I have much anyway).

[LazyGun]

@NJ "The danger is that a person whose mind was so easily poisoned is now teaching children with problems. I wonder how she explains her current pupils’ future work prospects. "

So someone who holds a political opinion diametrically opposed to yours has been "poisoned, and has a weak mind"? Yeah, rite. That sentence expresses far more about your political bias than it says about her state of mind.

There are reasons to be concerned over the standards of teaching in the state sector that the private sector are sheltered from, by virtue of cash primarily - but that they might produce invidivuals who hold a political opinion counter to yours is a sign of strength, not weakness...

[daffy654]

I can't be bothered reading the whole thread and to be honest have avoided AB for a couple of days because i'm sick of the sycophantic nonsense on here about Maggie Thatcher.

The point I want to raise is that I am sick to the back teeth of seeing people writing/typing that anyone who wasn't born at the time of the old bat's 'reign' shouldn't be allowed an opinion.
This is nonsense! Anyone can have an opinion and they have a right to express it regardless of their age.

[sp1814]

NJ

I would expect children of ex-miners and steelworker to hold these views, and they are 100% correct.

And the children of those who bought their own council houses and made money on shares are 100% correct when they say "She was the one who rescued Britain and made it great again"

Both statements can be true.

Let's not forget that no matter how vociferous her detractors have been, her supporters have been too.

[China Doll]

I wasn't around for Henry VIII's time but I have an opininon on his leadership based on the amount of work I've put in reading and studying it. I too am sick of hearing the 'you're not old enough to have an opinion' brigage. I would happily go along with 'you may not KNOW enough', that's an entirely different argument.

[anotheoldgit]

LazyGun

/// The DM,with their witchhunt of those celebrating the death, however tasteless that action. and their calls for the sacking of such individuals is a far more worrying issue to me... ///

Not only the Daily Mail it would seem, I couldn't see any mention of it in the Guardian, but then that comes as no surprise, unlike the so called right-wing press they are rather selective in what they print.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9986361/Parents-and-staff-disgusted-by-Thatcher-death-party-teacher.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9986497/I-look-good-in-a-corset-drama-teacher-behind-Thatcher-campaign-unrepentant.html

[jake-the-peg]

That's true SP

But have you noticed how her supporters are trying to tell her detractors they're not allowed to voice their opinion out of 'respect'

Like the Lady herself they're not big on allowing contrary opinions the chance to be heard


I'm just waiting to hear

'Jake-the-peg's words will now be voiced by an actor'

I'd hate to be given the 'Oxygen of publicity'

[LazyGun]

@AoG I stand corrected - The Right Wing pedagogues at the DM AND The Telegraph are indirectly calling for these individuals to be sacked.

Even more reason to be worried then...

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// By the way - I was wholly correct in accusing you of making up 'facts' to support your argument. ///

Then please can I be supplied with the proof that I lied?

/// Still waiting for your apologi ///

Are you that pompous into thinking that I hang on to your every word, I do have better things to do, especially when I have nothing to apologise for.

[emmie]

we are talking about people who had no direct contact, relationship, were indeed children when she was in power. I didn't much care for Herr Hitler, but i wouldn't have wished him dead, i would have preferred that he hadn't shot himself and that the war crimes tribunal would have done it's stuff.
Mrs T has no way of answering her detractors, why didn't they petition, and indeed wave placards of their hatred whilst she was still alive, staying at the Ritz hotel. or is that the point, you only do it when the person has gone, and cannot remotely refute the arguments or speak in their defence.
And though i don't care for John Lyndon, even he says that whilst he didn't like her, or her policies, he cannot understand those celebrating her death, he calls it loathsome. So well done for an old punk, never mind the botox

[FredPuli43]

aog, because something is not the British way of doing things, is it wrong per se? You may well hold that view as a tenet of faith, but , choosing the examples you do, can you explain specifically and explicitly what is wrong with them ?

[anotheoldgit]

China Doll

/// I wasn't around for Henry VIII's time but I have an opininon on his leadership based on the amount of work I've put in reading and studying
it. ///

The difference here is that no one living today actually knows what life was like under the rule of Henry VIII, we can only make an assumption from what we are taught by our teachers or by what we read of historian's views, neither were any of them also around at that time.

The only true way of being in possession of the true facts of modern history is to be old enough to have been there at that time.

[LazyGun]

@Em because an event focuses opinion. Are you suggesting they would only have the right, now, to wave their placards or voice their delight only if they had held vigil for the last 26 years? Thats nonsense.

As is this rather quaint idea that your opinion or view only carries weight or validity if you were there at the time. By that logic, no one younger than 50 should hold a view on Hitler because they were not there at the time of his atrocities.

And whilst you personally might not hate an individual, I think you would be in a minority. Most humans have very human failings, and one of those failings is being able to harbour hatred or resentment for a powerful and effecting individual.

So it might be tasteless, it might even be offensive to some - but its not illegal, and its not grounds for termination of employment.

[jno]

well, I was there at the time, aog, and funnily enough my "true facts" seem to be different from yours. Can it be possible that in fact neither of us was in a position to know everything? And that therefore our opinions might differ?

[emmie]

let their respective schools, educational establishments decide, i already said that, and no i don't think any action will be taken. I just look on their actions as stupid and juvenile in the extreme, gloating over someone's death, not very grown up. I am sure there are people who were glad that Hitler killed himself, including many Germans i am sure who wished he had never existed, but he did, but the law didn't have the chance to do anything about his crimes.

[China Doll]

'The only true way of being in possession of the true facts of modern history is to be old enough to have been there at that time.'

^^^ That's simply not true. History has demonstrated time and time again that there are always things that were not known to the general public at the time but came out after people died. So how can can people form an accurate opinion of the time they're living in when they find out later they were not in full possession of the facts.

For the record, I think anything celebrating Margaret Thatcher's death is in bad taste. However, I also find it stiffling that there are those of us (like me) who can't say 'we disagree with your positive thoughts on Margaret's Thatchers time on politics and actually we're not mad keen on the idea of such a big funeral for her either without being branded crazy, leftie loonies. '

The one thing I keep saying about Thatcher is, like her or loath her, the fact that we still all have extremely strong opinions on her is a pretty amazing accomplishement and a lasting legacy. I'm genuinely not sure if that's a back handed complement or not though :c)

[emmie]

some vented their spleen as i recall only too well at the poll tax riots.
I am not much one for riots, nor expressing hatred, at least in the true sense, hatred by and large is a waste of time. I could have hated Hitler, Goering, Goebbels, i am sure many did, and some still do, but they are gone, footnotes in history, and nothing is going to change the actions those men committed, all one can do is try and learn from it.

[LazyGun]

We do indeed learn from history, Em - hence we do not actually have to have been there to form an opinion.

And no one can condone rioting or the breakdown of law and order- but when such things happen,you have to ask yourself why. In some instances, such as the riots of last year, or the students march and subsequent rioting over student fees - even the riots over the G20 summit etc - these are all clearly motivated by a militant minority with a sense of grievance.

In other cases, the riot might be an inchoate expression of genuine frustration and rage, engendered by a sense of injustice.