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Should These Teachers Be Allowed To Teach Our Children.

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anotheoldgit | 09:15 Thu 11th Apr 2013 | News
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2307040/Margaret-Thatcher-protests-Teachers-hatred-The-drama-mistress-masted-Milibands-school-helped-organise-Maggie-death-parties.html

Much has been said about the brainwashing of our children by 'nasty left' teachers, here two prime examples have been exposed.

One a member of The Socialist Workers Party is described as a special needs teacher, it would seem he is in need of some sort of 'special teaching', in the correct way to conduct himself.

The other well what can we say about her when she comes out with disgusting terms as this ‘Who wants to p*** on her grave?’

Both should be given their 'marching orders' but I doubt they will.
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because Wilson managed to do it without provoking strikes that brought the country to a standstill?

it left us having to go to the IMF, something that was indeed humiliating.
and that just because you are a Labour PM it didn't mean there wasn't political unrest or indeed that everything was hunky dory.
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jno

/// because Wilson managed to do it without provoking strikes that brought the country to a standstill? ///

And you are old enough to know how,

/// British coal workers have called off a four-week strike following a 35% pay offer from the new Labour government in what is being seen as a resounding victory for the miners. ///

That was the difference being the Tories were not prepared to allow the unions to bring the nation to it's knees, whereas Labour seem to delight in it.
their paymasters after all, and still are.
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LazyGun

/// @Em So you don't like Wilson. What does that have to do with the point of the OP or the discussion? ///

Since when has that been a hard fast rule on this site, threads regularly get put slightly off track?

But once again where it is sometimes a regular tactic used by some, when others do the same it is classed a no, no.
The absolute number of pits closed is somewhat immaterial. It was the manner and reason why the pits were closed, and the way that those closures were effected.

And whilst the Unions have bankrolled labour, the tories have been well bankrolled by vested interests too, so lets not go down that road.

The reason we are having this discussion, some 26 years after she was last in power, attests to just how divisive Thatcher was - for her supporters she could do no wrong, but for many in this country she was seen as someone who destroyed communities and influenced the lives of thousands. That tells you that she was a political colossus.

@AoG I do not mind if the topic strays from the OP, just so long as I can understand the point that is being made. I was asking Em to clarify, as I asked you to clarify your 2 somewhat incoherent posts....
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triggerhippy

/// The labour party were not prepared to paramilitarise the police and use it to attack its own people. ///

Isn't that part of the police's job, controlling civil unrest, or under Labour is everyone free to do just as they please?
but they were in thrall to the unions, which held enormous sway, and indeed it is the reason Mrs T came to power, because ordinary folk were sick to death of the endless strikes, more and bigger pay rises, and union bosses believing they were invincible and could bring down governments. Callaghan tried doing something about it, but they weren't in the mood to listen.
AOG

in 1974 Coal miners were some of the worst paid workers

A coal face worker earned £45 a week about the same as a factory worker

the strike was about them getting paid a fair salary for what was a very dangerous and dirty job that I'm sure none of us would have wanted to do

In that context 35% doesn't seem quite so unreasonable
i believe she got any number of things wrong, and i think if you look back over all the threads you will see that, supporters have said so, and it was her own party that finally stuck the knife in, largely over Europe and her stance, and the poll tax, which had it been implemented properly could have been a better tax than one we have now. But it wasn't to be, people rioted, and her party said enough.
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LazyGun

There are times when one must use their own brains, instead of others having to constantly explain every word, phrase, sentence, paragraph, or complete thread.
Where do we stand on "faith schools" ? They may teach that homosexuality is a sin, that practising it merits death, that only believers in their particular branch of the faith will go to heaven, that anyone who criticizes and speaks against their faith is an enemy who deserves death, that thhe theory of evolution is wrong, and any number of things unspecified which the rest of us find to be distasteful, offensive, wrong, or even illegal. That teaching amounts to something which is , or is close to, brainwashing of the young and it pervades every aspect of life in the school.

This allegation brainwashing by two teachers has no evidence to support it. How does that allegation compare to the ones given above?
@Em How do you mean, that "Thatcher came to power because the ordinary folk were sick to death of endless strikes"? Thatcher was not elected PM via a popular vote of the public....

In point of fact, she was put up as a stalking horse candidate by the tory right who were sick of Heath - despite the fact that the tory media of the day broadly supported Heath..

You are right though that was a groundswell of public opinion that was sick of wildcat strikes and the power of union barons etc, but that was not what got Thatcher elected...
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@AoG and there are times that it is worth pointing out that the point the author is trying to make is unclear, and so worth asking the question.

Why do you object at requests for clarification?
whilst i totally agree that mining was a dangerous, dirty job, you can't have one section of society telling the rest how things will be, especially when they bring about the end of democratically elected governments.

did factory workers really get 45 quid a week back in 1974, i find that very hard to believe, seeing as how much i was earning at the time was nowhere near that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/6/newsid_4207000/4207111.stm
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/// in 1974 Coal miners were some of the worst paid workers ///

/// A coal face worker earned £45 a week about the same as a factory
worker ///

Then that seemed fair, since some factory workers are very highly skilled workers who have carried out a five year apprenticeship.

Incidentally do you know what the pay was for service personnel, a lot less than miners and they couldn't go on strike,.
Just worked my way through all the pages, enjoyed it, but when is a good time to `agree to disagree` reached I wonder..

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