Will This Expected Anarchy From The Left Do More Harm To Labour Than Any Expected Success?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9990334/Football-fans-vow-to-confront-anti-Thatcher-demonstrators.html

[LazyGun]

Any smileys in there, AoG, or was your last contribution meant to be taken seriously? :)

Would not want your post to be misunderstood....

[emmie]

Mikey, so you think that Mrs T death will have seen a small points lead for the tories, that seems odd to me if so.

[Gromit]

Anarchists, Socialusts Workers Communists do not represent the Labour party. As long as Millibean condemns it just as vigorously as the other parties, then I do not think the electorate are dumb enough to pin it on Labour, no matter how hard the Daily Mail and its brainwashed readers try to.

[emmie]

there you go again, DM readers are brain washed, not so, no more are the Guardianistas. you have to make a judgement based on your own experiences, and go from there.

[LazyGun]

@Em No ,not just your own experience - at least if you want to arrive at an objective judgement as close to an approximation of the actual truth as you can. If you want to have that, you need to explore your own experiences, your own prejudices, and read news from more than one source - not just one that conforms to your own world view - and that is what we are all guilty of, confirmation bias - to a greater or lesser extent...

[sp1814]

em10

The Daily Mail has been lying about certain matters over Thatcher's death in the past few days to promote its own agenda.

The Guardian, like all papers, has an agenda - but it doesn't stoop to the level of lying to its readership.

[ChillDoubt]

I'm just wondering how many of the Great Unwashed will maintain their stance when faced with the Millwall F Troop! LOL

[LazyGun]

Oh, and just while I am idling speculating- having read the article, AoGs title for the question would be arguably more accurate had he titled it " Will this threatened violence and disruption of a peaceful party from right wing, pro-thatcher football hooligans do more harm to the Conservatives than any expected success" :)

[doctordb]

Lol chill, could be millwalls easiest win of the season.

[emmie]

sp, and you know that how? as to personal experiences, if i saw a man beating a woman right in front of me, apart from wanting to step in how could i misconstrue, mistake what i was seeing, so my eyes and ears tell me what is happening at that moment. The reason for his actions may not be clear, but if i am witnessing it, that would be my experience. It's not a great way to look at this, but i can't readily find a better example.

[LazyGun]

@Em Although your own personal experience might be genuine and factual though, in the example you have given of a man attacking a woman, it would be factually incorrect to extrapolate from that isolated incident and claim that all women who are attacked are attacked by men, or that all men attack women....... and thats kind of the point..

[emmie]

sorry i just hear see the same things over and over, the DM tells lies, and the Guardian doesn't, which is what sp just said, and i don't see how anybody can make that claim.

[Just-Jude]

The Wigan lads will sort out the Millwall/EDL/Thatcher supporters. We're tough up North!

[sp1814]

em10

This is how the Daily Mail has been lying:

http://www.themediablog.co.uk/the-media-blog/2013/04/huw-edwards-poppy-tie-bbc-daily-mail.html

Sickening.

And as for their attacks on the BBC.

Just plain wrong.

[sp1814]

em10

Shouldn't we highlight the lies the Daily Mail tells to support it's agenda?

Why did the lie about the colour of Huw Edward's tie?

Could it be because they think we're all stupid?

[FredPuli43]

No, sp, not really. It's because it's readers will take everything it prints, and every innuendo it uses, as true. That's so even when the paper's headline or first lines aren't borne out by evidence which can be found in the ensuing story, let alone when the paper omits key facts. But if you write for a readership with known biases and prejudices, that's what you do to keep them happy.

[jim360]

True - but it's stuff like that which makes me despair of the idea of media self-regulation. Fine, self-regulate - but report the actual news! I didn't realise people could make it so difficult.

[FredPuli43]

Yes, Jim, even the Solicitors' Regulatory Authority's committee has 8 lay people and 7 solicitors to constitute it. Personally, I'd trust a committee of 15 senior solicitors because what they'd adjudge bad behaviour is behaviour they would never , ever, contemplate or allow in their own practices and anything they'd pass would not be bad by any measure . You can't say that of the members of the press, however senior, would meet that criterion, as may be judged from how they have operated.

[sp1814]

I find it so irritating that people can't see the obvious right in front of their eyes.

The whole 'Fury at biased BBC' cobblers is such a great example.

The Mail claimed that the BBC had over 700 complaints about its coverage of Thatcher's death, but completely left out that a third of the complaints were that the BBC was too favourable to her?

Why not print the truth?

I assume the Mail must have a low opinion of their readers and that they don't have access to the rest of the Internet?

[Kromovaracun]

jake

"1 coalition victory with a PM who's light years away from being a Thatcherist "

What makes you say that?