Makes Me Sick That People Like This Are In Our Country

[VHG]

It really makes me sick that we have people like this in our country.

Why did we think so little of ourselves that we allowed people like this to come here.

This was such a great country, and so many people would want to come here, that we could afford to be choosy. But we weren't and we let any old scum in.

We really are slowly (quickly) being dragged down to a third world country.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22183587

[FredPuli43]

"Such things as this [a woman being enslaved and raped] are a typical example of the pitfalls of a multicultural society, the USA is a prime example"

Discuss [Candidates are to address the question seriously]

That should sort them out. It's difficult to answer. Is it a joke? Satire? Ignorance? Imagination?

[emmie]

if you want to see how it does and sometimes doesn't work, then live in the capital or any other highly populated city around Britain.
That prejudice is supposedly a working class problem is a load of bunkum, that came mostly from the time of the empire, in India and Africa, and the people who ruled weren't white working class, they were back here toiling on the land, working in factories, or fighting for their country in two world wars. Led by some of those same white ruling class,

It is more a matter of culture than colour, and it's more than a two way street. I had many friends from the West Indian community, roughly 50/50 split, so knew them well enough, was involved in their day to day lives, and never saw colour as an issue. However this country has changed massively in less than 50 years, and it's changing at a far greater rate than in the previous 2000, if you don't think that's right, or believe me fair enough. To cite that we are all migrants seems to miss the point, we aren't talking of the Romans, Vikings, we are talking now of cultures from the Middle East, to China, who's communities by the way rarely if ever mixed with Europeans. I can say the same about any number of peoples who have settled in the capital, the Greek and Turkish were insular, and many still are. I wonder at why some continue to bandy around the idea that to talk of immigration as only colour based, for most it's not, it's about numbers, being able to support more, where are the jobs, where do they live, and it is about culture. where some cultural practices are alien to the average Brit, as ours seem be to theirs. Many coming are economic migrants, is that a bad or a good thing, well we shall see. But i don't see a great deal of assimilation in recent years, and that is a sad fact of life.

[LazyGun]

Not sure if your last post was prompted in part by what i wrote Em - but to clarfy - I was not saying race or racial prejudice was entirely a working class issue. What I was saying was that it is the working class who are imparted more acutely, through competition for the low-skilled/ low paid jobs, social housing etc.

As far as the impact of immigration from areas of he globe that do not share our cultural values - its an interesting point, but cultural inertia plays a big part in slowing change, and what these immigratns can change of our culture is largely ephemeral I think. Moves to change laws of the land, or political systems, or to impose additional religious sensibilites should be resisted though

[lcg]

i think we need to bring back the birch in schools, the stocks in public places, proper jail sentences and the rope. immigration isn't the problem....the lack of deterrent and respect for authority is. anyone who wants to behave like an animal in our society should be treated as one. this country has gone completely soft and people are taking advantage of those who contribute to society are bearing the brunt of others disrespect.

[shaneystar2]

The birch ,the stocks and the rope eh ?
That makes you just as bad as them .

[Sharingan]

Lcg, don't you work in mental health? If so I'm slightly surprised to read your opinions on this as surely you can recognise that a lot of people committing crime do so as a result of addiction or mental illness and you will in fact end up punishing undiagnosed mentally ill people?

[Iluvspikey]

Well said icg


please look at this question i've done for you


http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/ChatterBank/Question1235265.html

[Iluvspikey]

No it doesn't! They are not mentally ill, they just see this country for the soft touch it's become, giving them housing, benefits, then carte blanche to do as they like and to heck with the results.

[Sharingan]

I'm sorry but a large percentage of mentally ill people are in prison ilovespikey, please see this link, since you appear not to be aware of it. There are lots more statistics and links via google if you care to search if you don't like this one.
http://rethinking.org.uk/facts/rethink/mental.html

[shaneystar2]

So you think children in schools should be birched ,or people set in stocks to be pelted with rotten eggs etc or hung by the neck .
And you're a mental health worker ?.
God help the people with mental health problems is all I can say .
Mind boggling .

[jim360]

From my limited experience corporal punishment tended only to establish a respect based on fear. That's not healthy. We've probably gone too far the other way, to be sure, but a return to caning is completely the wrong step.

[leahbee]

How you feel about immigration entirely depends on your personal experiences. I only know
that I could cry when I have to go into my city centre. How on earth have we got to this stage? Thousands of our soldiers died to keep Britain British and now we are just giving it away.

[lcg]

sharingan....yes i do work in mental health and with offenders/prisoners quite often. i care deeply about the people i work with and often spend time on my ward unpaid and in my own time to support people - as there just aren't enough hours in the day to go round and do stuff properly with them. i have no issue with those who are genuinely unwell and can see how patients may end up on the wrong side of the law and are detained because of their offending/behaviour/presentation.

however....and there is a but coming....some people with mental health problems consciously choose to offend (and have perfect insight into what they are doing) - sometimes repeatedly and try to hide behind their diagnoses/being in the mental health system or are trying to get some form of social reward (i.e. housing, benefits etc.). if people are already detained in hospital, there is absolutely no deterrent to them committing crimes (like bringing drugs onto the wards, assaulting staff, damaging property, arson, theft etc). they know they are just going to get let off with another caution, or a small fine, treatment order or conditional discharge....it is absolutely ridiculous.

those people are extremely frustrating to work with and take time away from the patients who are genuinely need help and support from the mental health system......and it is near breaking point as it is so clogged up.

also....on the matter of prisoners with mental health problems, there are different schools of thought on this subject. some suggest that people with mental health problems are more likely to offend; others say that time in prison exacerbates mental health symptoms; and yet more say that prisons are suitable for those with mental illnesses but who have committed more serious offences. there are also specialist mental health units that detain patients in a high-secure environment (which i do not work in).

i suppose as i work at the thin edge of mental health and offending, i may get more frustrated by some of the patients that do get admitted to my ward....but it just seems that there are more and more of them coming through the system, and we are just not geared to deal with them properly - and neither is the legal system. there seems to be a rather large grey area in the middle that these people seem to fall through. i don't know what the answer is....but i do know that i would like to give some of them a jolly good boot up the arse and tell them to man up and get on with life.....and deal with the consequences of their actions (just like the rest of us do!). lisa x

[lcg]

sorry ^^^ it took me ages to write that and i had my tea! x

[chaptazbru]

leahbee - my sentiments exactly.

[Sharingan]

Hi Lisa, thanks for the detailed reply.Well yes I can understand the frustration of working with people who behave like that but I am still quite shocked you think that hanging, the birch and stocks would improve the situation. I'm very anti capital punishment because I really do believe that normalising violence through state sponsored actions is setting a terrible example, particularly to vulnerable people like the mentally ill and the very young. Surely the normalisation of violence is one of the key problems in our society today?

[lcg]

i used to be agaisnt capital/corporal punishment when i was younger......but then again, i have met far too many *** (excuse me) along the way since then and have changed my mind. there seems to be a proportion of our society who don't respect themselves or others....and the legal system is also failing to deal with these people adequately. i'm not talking about hanging people nilly-willy......but those who are convicted of completely heinous crimes. more lengthy jail terms for people who repeatedly offend (regardless of their mental health - there needs to be more more places where they can be detained if need be) but the government just keeps cutting services and sticking people into the community where they can't cope or live independently. i want to see a britain that sticks people in prison (for a long time) if they carry a knife or commit sexual assaults - just last week that 18 yr old kid was convicted of that horrific rape of an 11 yr old girl. he had already done it before AND had been looking at child pornography....yet was allowed to walk the streets. i deal with people who have committed these types of crime all the time, and just fail to see how are country is punishing them adequately, or are protecting their potential victims from harm.

[jim360]

You can - and we should - toughen up the laws, and jail sentences for serious crimes without bringing back Capital Punishment, which never has done anything other than increase the number of victims of crime.

[emmie]

having been in the mental health system for a time, i can testify that many of these mental health hospitals are like prisons already, and the fact of the matter is that mental health is not taken seriously enough in the UK, money is being withdrawn from centres that help people with mental health difficulties. So many that i know have shut, leaving those with serious problems with nothing to do and no where to go. You can ally drug and alcohol abuse alongside mental health, they often go hand in hand. Not to mention the not inconsiderable amount of ex servicemen in prison, likely suffering from mental health issues, not all but certainly a fair percentage, from their time in the service.
I don't advocate the birch, or capital punishment, it never worked then and it won't work now.

[VHG]

11 years in prison.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22552912