Could It Be That They Are Going To Conduct Random Searches?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2323294/Luton-shooting-16-year-old-boy-condition-police-offer-1-000-information.html

/// 'Any person carrying a firearm or weapon on the street can expect to be confronted by armed patrols who will search them, arrest them and prosecute them. ///

/// 'We understand that there will be a number of law-abiding citizens who will be affected by this action. ///

That must mean 'Random' searches.

/// 'We hope that they will understand that this action is being taken to keep them and their loved ones safe and they will agree with us that this level of criminality will not be tolerated. ///

Incidentally you can all relax, the suspected gunman is reported as being white, sorry to spoil your fun.

[jim360]

Sometimes you just make it so hard for people to agree with you by taking cheap shots at anyone who doesn't. This is precisely the sort of thing I'd like to see police doing more of, so long as it's sensibly targeted. Without the last sentence I think I'd have stuck to saying just that, or nothing at all -- but yes, honestly you just seem to be far too confrontational at times.

[sp1814]

AOG

Why do you think that the police don't already perform random stop and searches?

I asked this on another thread of yours, but I think you may have missed it.

[boxtops]

Your last sentence has ruined a perfectly reasonable post, AOG - I was going to say "good, it happens already".

[jno]

I'm very pleased to hear that anyone carrying a firearm will be searched, though my own impression is that very few people carry them on the streets. However, I don't understand how law-abiding citizens would be affected by this. If he is talking about random searches, it would make more sense if he said so.

[Gromit]

There were 1,205,495 random stop and searches last year.

Why do you persist on insisting that they do not already happen?

[anotheoldgit]

jim360

/// but yes, honestly you just seem to be far too confrontational at times. ///

When one associates with bad company, some bad things are sure to rub off on one.

When I first joined this site it was a good debating forum and most enjoyed our time on here.

But now even after constant examples shown and warnings given, it has turned out to be 'dog eat dog' type of site, and if one dares to refuse to bow down to the mainly Leftie thinkers, one quickly becomes an outcast.

But so be it, I will not give them the satisfaction of driving me into submission as they have done to others, I will just go ahead and play them at their own game, even if these games do seem rather infantile to say the least.

[sp1814]

AOG

Why do you think that police do not perform random stop and searches?

[sp1814]

AOG

Bit of advice...take or leave it. If you feel that someone isn't engaging in a debate and just resorts to attacking you, you could simply ignore their posts and refuse to respond to them. Eventually they will get the message. That's what I do.

Then you will be free to respond to comments which move the debate on.

In that vein, I would like to ask you again - why do you think that police don't randomly stop and search?

[jim360]

I don't think the problem is just you by any means at all, AOG. I'm sure I'm guilty, too, of just actively seeking argument for the sake of it. But even so so often I've tried to make a counterpoint to yours and just see bile, or exaggeration, or downright ignoring of what I was trying to say. No, you aren't the only one, by you certainly seem to be one of them.

[anotheoldgit]

jno

I am getting rather weary of explaining almost everything to you so as a change please explain what this all means?

/// However, I don't understand how law-abiding citizens would be affected by this. If he is talking about random searches, it would make more sense if he said so. ///

[FredPuli43]

You have returned to the topic of 'random' searches,aog. Why,when you are evidently ignorant of the fact that random does not mean targeted?You also ignore the fact that true random searches have been conducted for decades,though,in truth, the police might choose to ignore that too.

Any stop and search of someone who is carrying a firearm or weapon on the street, would not be random,would it ? How are you defining random,in such a case?

[jno]

aog: first it was said (as you quoted) that any person carrying a firearm can expect to be searched.

Fine.

Then he said (as you also quoted) that law-abiding citizens would be affected.

Whjy would law abiding citizens be affected if they are searching people who are carrying guns?

Alternatively, if he means that random searches will be carried out, why didn't he say so?

Which was what I said in my last post.

[FredPuli43]

And, since you ask,aog, a law-abiding citizen will be affected if he is carrying a weapon but his possession of it is lawful in the circumstances

[jno]

ah, that could be the answer I was looking for, Fredpuli, thanks. Though I still suspect there aren't many such people walking the streets.

And I also think random searches are already in use; but aog seems unwilling to discuss this possibility, so I shall let it lie.

[FredPuli43]

More pertinently,though not mentioned in the OP,such a person may be reasonably suspected of carrying a weapon when he is not.

[jno]

so you could reasonably be stopped and searched more often if you had a gun licence than if you didn't?

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// Why do you think that police do not perform random stop and searches? ///

Simply because if you and others didn't prejudge what I actually said, you'd have notice that I have never said they didn't.

"Could It Be That They Are Going To Conduct Random Searches"?

"should the police now conduct random stop and searches",

Both these statements were appertaining to the two individual cases and were not saying that stop & searches per-se, do not take place ever.

[Gromit]

I know you probably won't read a Grauniad article, but there are a few stats on stop and search in this article.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/jun/10/stop-and-search-terror-police-statistics

[anotheoldgit]

jno

/// Alternatively, if he means that random searches will be carried out, why didn't he say so? ///

The confusion came about by you failing to mention who 'HE' was.