A Sentance So Richly Deserved.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324254/Tia-Sharps-killer-Stuart-Hazell-jailed-38-years-parole.html

At last a sentence to fit the crime, he will be 75 years old before he is released.

Yesterday Tia's father said that, whatever jail sentence this monster received, he should be hanged at the end of it.

Does anyone agree?

[askyourgran]

Oh please don't stop me now, AnswerPrancer is wetting his pants hanging from his tree. You can think what you like I don't drool nor do I knit, but I do have a sense of distate for people who uphold the rights of someone like Hazell to live and breathe.

[jim360]

It's a bit of a shame if my attempt at politeness has been overshadowed by AP's comment...

[Zeuhl]

/Those that support Capital Punishment in the right situation of those that don't?? /

drooling rabid illiterates?

[Slapshot]

Drooling rabid i phone autocorrects

[emmie]

LG, that wasn't for your benefit, and
jim , it would be life in prison no chance of parole.
Personally i wouldn't care if he croaks, same as Fred West, i know he supposedly hanged himself, and any of these serial killers, no sympathy at all.

[jake-the-peg]

Why? Because it was a child? Because there was a sexual element?

I agree it's emotional - But justice isn't emotional

You can't have the scales of justice blown about by the vagaries of public opinion.

You might as well hand the keys of the Old Bailey to the Newspaper men!

Go the whole hog and pass sentence by phone vote.

Sentences must be proportionate to other sentences, to other crimes, to the severity of the crime.

Not decided by how well the media whips up emotions in a particular case

[Zeuhl]

/people who uphold the rights of someone like Hazell to live and breathe. /

clearly you find this very difficult to understand askyourgran

it has nothing to do with hazell's 'rights'

i'll make it as simple as i can:

either you think killing is wrong (and hazell should be condemned) or you don't

you seem ambiguous about killing being wrong

[jake-the-peg]

Serial killers are exactly given life without parole

Is Hazel a serial killer?

[emmie]

LG, the point being France only did away with it in more recent days, 1980 isn't that long ago. Wonder what is worse, being hanged, get it over and done with or spend the rest of your life in prison, perhaps in solitary..
knowing your life is over.

[Answerprancer]

"Oh please don't stop me now, AnswerPrancer is wetting his pants hanging from his tree. You can think what you like I don't drool nor do I knit".
Well I wasn't necessarily referring to you but if the cap fits....

[Zeuhl]

em

the make 'em suffer/string 'em up brigade can't have it both ways

if 38 years in a prison is worse for Hazell than hanging - why worry?

[Answerprancer]

Slapshot

"So AP....who are you labelling as "drooling rabid fascists"?? Those that support Capital Punishment in the right situation of those that don't??"

In the "right situation" whose "right situation"?

[emmie]

i am not worried, but he would have received a whole life tariff, so he is 70 odd when he comes out, same for others who murder children, including the scum in the torture, rape of young girls in more recent cases.

[888sally888]

If someone hurt one of my children, I would personally hunt them down and do it myself.

[ummmm]

He will be 75 before he is 'considered' for parole.

[andy-hughes]

askyourgran - "I do have a sense of distate for people who uphold the rights of someone like Hazell to live and breathe."

It's not about Hazel's rights - in fact, its precisely the opposite, it is about removing Hazell's rights - the rights to movement, choice of food, exercise time, when to bathe, when to sleep, where to sleep, when to work, what to do all day, what to wear - the list goes on.

What I am continually banging on about is that murdering a murderer is not right - there are punishments in place that exact a penalty without decending into howls of self-righteous lynching which only demean and reduce our civilised society to the savages we have to incarcerate.

Just because you feel your moral outrage at the dreadfulness of this crime - or any other, gives you the right to kill someone because you think it wilake you feel better is a pretty poor way to organise rules that have to fit an entire society - not just the moral mouth-frothers who think that disgust and anger and anguish are their exclusive rights to feel.

It's about being a civilised society and reaching descicions that everyone can live with - difficult, but done the best way possible.

[LazyGun]

@Em - but the point is that they have turned away from it - and of those who still use it, the list does not read like a list of especially enlightened or civilised countries.Even in the US, the use of capital punishment is declining or being actively abolished on a state by state basis.

Those calling for state sanctioned execution are asking the state to kill in our name, and thats not what I want. It degrades those people having to do it, and I believe it degrades those societies that use it.

[jim360]

No-one's ever argued against that thought, exactly. But, again, justice in the courts is not about that revenge...

[Slapshot]

AP The right situation: where its right in the eyes of the law

[Answerprancer]

"There are punishments in place that exact a penalty without decending into howls of self-righteous lynching which only demean and reduce our civilised society to the savages we have to incarcerate".
I couldn't have put it better - I didn't put it better :-/
Sorry, I'm a bit volatile.