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Should We Leave The Eu As It Is Now Without Any Changes. ?
I have listened to many Question Times and interviews concerning any referendum and no one ever asks the pro EUs the simple question.
"Are you satisfied to leave the EU and it's Institutions as they are now without any changes ? "
Again and again the pros. say " We don't need a referendum because we all have agreed there will be one automatically: 'If there is a 'Tangible' change in the present treaty.
By implication as long as there isn't a 'Tangible ' change, they are happy to leave it as it is.
There have been any number of changes over the past few years , including the one Cameron refused to sign, but apparently none of them have been considered Tangible.
Had it not been for UKIP Cameron would still be hiding behind that word and still is to avoid having one before 2017.
Over the next 4 years there will be several new members but as long they sign up to the present treaties , that wont be a change that will be termed Tangible.
"Are you satisfied to leave the EU and it's Institutions as they are now without any changes ? "
Again and again the pros. say " We don't need a referendum because we all have agreed there will be one automatically: 'If there is a 'Tangible' change in the present treaty.
By implication as long as there isn't a 'Tangible ' change, they are happy to leave it as it is.
There have been any number of changes over the past few years , including the one Cameron refused to sign, but apparently none of them have been considered Tangible.
Had it not been for UKIP Cameron would still be hiding behind that word and still is to avoid having one before 2017.
Over the next 4 years there will be several new members but as long they sign up to the present treaties , that wont be a change that will be termed Tangible.
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The main reason for us to stay in according to the pros is that 40% of our exports go to Europe which may be true but 65% of our imports come from Europe so they are not going to risk that trade by putting tariffs on us.
Do you think BMW is going to risk a trade war with us . The same goes for the whole EU car market . They are not going to lose out to Asia.
Do you think BMW is going to risk a trade war with us . The same goes for the whole EU car market . They are not going to lose out to Asia.
i can understand both sides of the coin, but we have like many countries, been hogtied, the original concept of the EEC was a good one, but that has morphed into a bureaucratic nightmare. I wonder how our standing with US, our so called special friendship would hold up if we left.. Obama seems in favour of our staying in and a United Europe. Thing is that is what annoys me the most, a Federal United States of Europe with Germany at it's head... then more tinpot countries joining, they should take a lesson from the Greek debacle before admitting more to the family.
mikey // If everybody else is trying to join the EEC//
I forgot to mention another reason why the smaller ones and even Turkey want to join. They want the protection of Nato and to distance themselves from Russia. This is a major reason why Armenia wants to join. As it is there are 8 countries all weak and dodgy waiting to get in, and we are going to pick up the tab. http://
I forgot to mention another reason why the smaller ones and even Turkey want to join. They want the protection of Nato and to distance themselves from Russia. This is a major reason why Armenia wants to join. As it is there are 8 countries all weak and dodgy waiting to get in, and we are going to pick up the tab. http://
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