Terror Attack In London

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Breaking News on BBC now.

[chrissa1]

They were cowardly enough to knock the poor lad down with a car, before attacking him.

[sp1814]

ChillDoubt

I've listened to his rant. I don't think he's an immigrant. Whilst he talks about this thing happening to 'his women', he has a 'very' London accent. Of course, he may have moved here as a child, but I dunno...

[ChillDoubt]

Those too were exactly my observations, sp.

[sp1814]

I think it would be a very good move for a 'Not in our name' march to take place, but I think the problem with that to get really impressive numbers, you would have to get Muslims from a broad spectrum of backgrounds to join. As I understand it (I'm no expert), there is no love lost between different faiths (and nationalities). They would have to organise and put their differences behind them.

It's a mess.

I'm so angry about this, that I'm signing off AB for a while. I just don't want to think about it.

[DTCwordfan]

Chilli - that's reactionary and spoon stirring as you well know. I would put it to you that MI5/MI6 and the police have done a hell of a job in recent years in preventing terrorist incidents in this country and I bet we don't even know 10 percent of the incidents that have been shut off by them/nipped in the bud, whatever.

However, we can't be 100 percent watertight, short of banning all Muslims from this country and that won't happen, thank goodness. I'll bet too that Cobra is looking how this lot got under the umbrella......

[chrisgel]

It looks like the Muslim Council have been reading Answerbank. Good on them.
http://www.itv.com/news/london/update/2013-05-22/muslim-council-of-britain-statement-on-machete-murder/

[DJHawkes]

if this murderer/terrorist/muslem fanatic was in fact a muslem, why was he chanting an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth, isn;t that from the bible? Or were my RE lessons a waste of time.

[jim360]

More of the same please, muslims of the world. People of the world, indeed. Thanks for the link.

[Kromovaracun]

Why exactly has this been branded a 'terror' attack? What are the criteria?

[chrisgel]

DJ - I haven't read that anywhere. All the reports I have read suggest that one or both of them were shouting Allahu Akbar, which, if the Mail is correct means God is great.

[DJHawkes]

it's being ''strongly considered'' a terrorist act, according to the home secretary, based on the reports from the law at the scene. they still are not confirming the victim was a serving soldier. the chanting and filmed footage of the murderers after the attack seem to be the main reasons for it being considered terrorism from what is being said on the tv

[DJHawkes]

the bbc have been repeating that quote all evening chris

[chrisgel]

Kromo - There is a short clip earlier on in this thread where one of the men responsible practically admits it is. Plus the attack was on an off duty soldier who they apparently followed from the barracks and ran him over before attacking him with knives etc.

[mushroom25]

Kromo, the following is a transcript from videos posted on many websites of a bloodstained man with a meat cleaver in his hand and a body in the background:-

'I apologise that women had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your government, they don't care about you. You think David Cameron is going to get caught in the street when we start busting our guns you think politicians are going to die? 'No it's going to be the average guy, like you, and your children. So get rid of them. Tell them to bring our troops back so you can all live in peace.'

the ramblings of a madman? or a political statement of a terrorist?

[chrisgel]

Sorry DJ.. Didn't see your comments. I obviously haven't caught up on latest developments. We'll just have to wait and see what transpires.

[Kromovaracun]

"it's being ''strongly considered'' a terrorist act, according to the home secretary, based on the reports from the law at the scene. "

Sure. But why? What are the criteria for an attack to be considered terrorist.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to have been largely spontaneous - they randomly targeted a man because he was wearing a 'Help for Heroes' t-shirt. That's also where they stopped - there wasn't the same 'kill as many as we can' attitude one would normally associate with a terror attack.

In fact, one also chose to record his message spontaneously to a passer by who for some bizarre reason decided to film it - not in a video beforehand, like most attacks we hear of.

I mean, on the other hand, I guess they were driving around with a car full of knives, but still. I'm just wondering what exactly the criteria of a 'terror attack' are.

[askyourgran]

A terror attack because of the shout of 'ali akbah'. It has been given that status to match the London Bombing, 7/7.

It was a dreadful brutality to be committed on our streets, those people bring their barbarity to this country and expect us to treat them all as welcome. If they are British born Muslims things must change. Time to clean the streets up. I'm hoping Cameron and COBRA will come up with a suitable solution no pussyfooting.

[Kromovaracun]

modeller - didn't see your post.

I had seen the video, and to be honest, my first thoughts were that it is the ramblings of a deranged lunatic. I guess the Home Office disagrees with me...

[naomi24]

One of the attackers, filmed with blood on his hands, said "You people will never be safe", or words to that effect. I think he's right.

Krom, I think it's categorised as a terrorist attack because it was carried out by Islamic extremists - and having watched the news, we can be in no doubt of that.

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terrorist

B2 someone who uses violent action, or threats of violent action, for political purposes: