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PC going mad (no surprise really), nothings been said that warrants an apology.
everybodys scared to open their damn mouths in case they offend some so called ethnic or other.
everybody wants to be offended, whats the matter with them all
These people need to get over themselves and grow some for once, they might get a little more respect, doubt thats occurred to them though
PC going mad (no surprise really), nothings been said that warrants an apology.
everybodys scared to open their damn mouths in case they offend some so called ethnic or other.
everybody wants to be offended, whats the matter with them all
These people need to get over themselves and grow some for once, they might get a little more respect, doubt thats occurred to them though
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/// How is the word 'Brit' racist? ///
I never said it was, I was just making a comparison with the shorten word for a person coming from Pakistani, which incidentally was further shortened by the AB censor to three Asterisks.
Why is a person called a *** any more racist than a person called a Brit?
/// How is the word 'Brit' racist? ///
I never said it was, I was just making a comparison with the shorten word for a person coming from Pakistani, which incidentally was further shortened by the AB censor to three Asterisks.
Why is a person called a *** any more racist than a person called a Brit?
//Is it acceptable to call a heterosexual, "a straight person", if so does it not then follow that a homosexual must be "a bent person"? //
actually, "straight" as an antonym of "gay" was coined in the days when to be called "gay" implied a hedonstic and uninhibited lifestyle, "straight" thus implying seriousness and conventionality. When the word gradually shifted to mean the same sex lifestyle, the antonym stuck.
to use the word "bent" as an antonym of "straight" in this context is to misunderstand the origins of the term - as well as being wrong on every level.
actually, "straight" as an antonym of "gay" was coined in the days when to be called "gay" implied a hedonstic and uninhibited lifestyle, "straight" thus implying seriousness and conventionality. When the word gradually shifted to mean the same sex lifestyle, the antonym stuck.
to use the word "bent" as an antonym of "straight" in this context is to misunderstand the origins of the term - as well as being wrong on every level.
AOG - "Is it acceptable to call a heterosexual, "a straight person", if so does it not then follow that a homosexual must be "a bent person"?
You are far too canny a poster, and high-level user of the Engliah language, not to know that such 'rules' do not apply to the fluid changes of language, and the culture in which is lives.
Nice idea though!
You are far too canny a poster, and high-level user of the Engliah language, not to know that such 'rules' do not apply to the fluid changes of language, and the culture in which is lives.
Nice idea though!
It is correct to call someone from Afghanistan an Afghan; and someone from Uzbekistan an Uzbek, as they are the legitimate names for the original regions. Pakistan is an amalgamation of different reasons so that "Pak*" is technically wrong. The correct form to describe someone from Pakistan is Pakistani. Therefore using the shortened for is incorrect, ignorant and very often charged with racist meaning.
Brit is in no way comparable.
Brit is in no way comparable.
jim360
/// It is correct to call someone from Afghanistan an Afghan; and someone from Uzbekistan an Uzbek, as they are the legitimate names for the original regions. ///
As are Poles, Aussies, Swedes, Scots, Swiss, Afros, etc, then there are the more offensive but not yet banned, Yanks, Jerrys, Froggies, Japs, Eyeties, Limeys etc
/// Pakistan is an amalgamation of different reasons so that "Pak*" is technically wrong. ///
The questions still remains the same why and who said so?
/// It is correct to call someone from Afghanistan an Afghan; and someone from Uzbekistan an Uzbek, as they are the legitimate names for the original regions. ///
As are Poles, Aussies, Swedes, Scots, Swiss, Afros, etc, then there are the more offensive but not yet banned, Yanks, Jerrys, Froggies, Japs, Eyeties, Limeys etc
/// Pakistan is an amalgamation of different reasons so that "Pak*" is technically wrong. ///
The questions still remains the same why and who said so?
AOG - "/// Pakistan is an amalgamation of different reasons so that "Pak*" is technically wrong. ///
The questions still remains the same why and who said so?"
Why? because society says so - and that is us.
When? At some time when culture shifted, as it does, sometimes daily, sometimes more slowly, but shift it does, and it is a simple matter to keep up with the broadest changes.
If a native of Pakistan finds the term '***' offensive, it doesn't take ten years off our lives to avoid the expression.
The questions still remains the same why and who said so?"
Why? because society says so - and that is us.
When? At some time when culture shifted, as it does, sometimes daily, sometimes more slowly, but shift it does, and it is a simple matter to keep up with the broadest changes.
If a native of Pakistan finds the term '***' offensive, it doesn't take ten years off our lives to avoid the expression.
The Americans seem to have Schizophrenia over what is insulting and what isn't in the Afro-American community. Witness the use of the N word? A bad word is a bad word no matter who says it, but not in this case.
Garcia said what he said, as a derogatory term, however when he said it he obviously thought he was being smart.
Woods didn't complain, he has accepted the apology and wants to talk about golf. Thats what should happen.
The term Pak1, is only insulting in this country, this was due to the use of it by skinheads in the 70's against (any) Asians as an insult and in a number of very violent songs. I can remember The Aussies welcoming the Pak1s to play cricket in adverts during the 80's so the word holds no insult to our Antipodean cousins.
As for the "coloured" statement, I think it was more the way it was used rather than the use as a discriptor, although think it not nice.
Garcia said what he said, as a derogatory term, however when he said it he obviously thought he was being smart.
Woods didn't complain, he has accepted the apology and wants to talk about golf. Thats what should happen.
The term Pak1, is only insulting in this country, this was due to the use of it by skinheads in the 70's against (any) Asians as an insult and in a number of very violent songs. I can remember The Aussies welcoming the Pak1s to play cricket in adverts during the 80's so the word holds no insult to our Antipodean cousins.
As for the "coloured" statement, I think it was more the way it was used rather than the use as a discriptor, although think it not nice.
NJ , is 'the miscreant' ever being forced to apologise for the next ten years?
You really can't see what is wrong with any of this language, can you ? Is your attitude that words should never hurt me? Otherwise you would accept that some words which don't appear insulting to you are, in fact highly insulting to a large number of others and should not be addressed to them; there is no need to indulge in expressions of bewilderment , that no sensible human should be offended at coloured or references to fried chicken. They are. Garcia knew it and O'Grady ought to have done.
You really can't see what is wrong with any of this language, can you ? Is your attitude that words should never hurt me? Otherwise you would accept that some words which don't appear insulting to you are, in fact highly insulting to a large number of others and should not be addressed to them; there is no need to indulge in expressions of bewilderment , that no sensible human should be offended at coloured or references to fried chicken. They are. Garcia knew it and O'Grady ought to have done.
FredPuli43
/// Otherwise you would accept that some words which don't appear insulting to you are, in fact highly insulting to a large number of others and should not be addressed to them; ///
Then one must ask in the call for equality across the races, why is it always certain races that hold the sole privilege of laying down what must be classed as insulting, I mean would there ever be a time when they demanded that it was insulting for me and others to be called Brits, simply because we deemed it offensive?
/// Otherwise you would accept that some words which don't appear insulting to you are, in fact highly insulting to a large number of others and should not be addressed to them; ///
Then one must ask in the call for equality across the races, why is it always certain races that hold the sole privilege of laying down what must be classed as insulting, I mean would there ever be a time when they demanded that it was insulting for me and others to be called Brits, simply because we deemed it offensive?
Do you enjoy it when someone calls you "git" or something else you think is rude? I should imagine not, especially as you get very het up whenever someone mistypes your name or misuses it. Regardless of whether or not that word is used offensively, or not, you still take offence.
So, simple solution: apply the same standards to other people. You may not understand why people find a particular word offensive, but if they ask you not to use it when speaking to them then don't use it!
So, simple solution: apply the same standards to other people. You may not understand why people find a particular word offensive, but if they ask you not to use it when speaking to them then don't use it!
The P word has been ascribed to Indians, Bangladeshis and other nationalities by people too ignorant to know better.
P bashing used to be hobby in this country for some people - even though the victims were not always Pakistani.
The P word is often preceded by the F word, very rarely by 'nice'; or followed by the B word.
It is just horrible. A nasty four letter word that can be snarled or spat out.
P bashing used to be hobby in this country for some people - even though the victims were not always Pakistani.
The P word is often preceded by the F word, very rarely by 'nice'; or followed by the B word.
It is just horrible. A nasty four letter word that can be snarled or spat out.
jim360
/// Do you enjoy it when someone calls you "git" or something else you think is rude? I should imagine not, especially as you get very het up whenever someone mistypes your name or misuses it. Regardless of whether or not that word is used offensively, or not, you still take offence. ///
/// So, simple solution: apply the same standards to other people. You may not understand why people find a particular word offensive, but if they ask you not to use it when speaking to them then don't use it! ///
Thank you very much for that explanation jim, well I repeat now just to make it cleat I do find calling me 'OLD GIT' or 'GIT' very offensive.
So can I now expect others to refrain from calling me those, and how long will it be before it becomes an universally unacceptable terminology?
Perhaps the AB censor will blank it out in future? But I doubt it because everyone was given the chance to change their username, but you guessed it I was unsuccessful in my request.
/// Do you enjoy it when someone calls you "git" or something else you think is rude? I should imagine not, especially as you get very het up whenever someone mistypes your name or misuses it. Regardless of whether or not that word is used offensively, or not, you still take offence. ///
/// So, simple solution: apply the same standards to other people. You may not understand why people find a particular word offensive, but if they ask you not to use it when speaking to them then don't use it! ///
Thank you very much for that explanation jim, well I repeat now just to make it cleat I do find calling me 'OLD GIT' or 'GIT' very offensive.
So can I now expect others to refrain from calling me those, and how long will it be before it becomes an universally unacceptable terminology?
Perhaps the AB censor will blank it out in future? But I doubt it because everyone was given the chance to change their username, but you guessed it I was unsuccessful in my request.
Well you certainly have a right to ask people not to. I stick to AOG.
But the word "git" will become universally unacceptable terminology only if enough people find it offensive. As it happens my family frowns upon using it, so you wouldn't be alone, but not many people agree with us.
This is entirely normal as language flows and changes all the time. Not long ago even "damn" carried strong enough meaning that it was censored. It still is in the US, apparently. Society can be very fickle about what words mean and how offensive, or not, certain words are. At the moment "Pak1" is very offensive so you should avoid using it.
But the word "git" will become universally unacceptable terminology only if enough people find it offensive. As it happens my family frowns upon using it, so you wouldn't be alone, but not many people agree with us.
This is entirely normal as language flows and changes all the time. Not long ago even "damn" carried strong enough meaning that it was censored. It still is in the US, apparently. Society can be very fickle about what words mean and how offensive, or not, certain words are. At the moment "Pak1" is very offensive so you should avoid using it.
jim360...re your post of 13.21 today. You are right of course but a lot of the people I know that would be horrified to be described as racist, seem somewhat non-nonplussed when I explain why p*** is liable to be taken the wrong way. Its isn't very difficult to understand and it surprises me that so many people in Britain today still can't work it out.
In their favour, most of the people mentioned above now think twice before using the phrase. If we can't respect our neighbours, than there is no future for any of us. The remark of "darkies" did, however, give most of us a shock at the Meeting, and it highly unlikely that the chap will use that phrase again, at least in a work-related situation. Our job brings us into close contact with people from all walks of life....different social levels as well as different races, religions and different sexualities. I have feeling that the chap involved may find himself out of a job if someone overhears him in the future.
But this low-level racism, mostly of it at least, is unconscious and not deliberate. But it exists very widely in Britain from my experience. I used to work for BT and in the late 80's I was sent up to central London on loan, from my telephone exchange in Wales. The difference was palpable and immediate. My colleagues there were from all sorts of backgrounds. The sort of phrase that even I might have used all those years ago, like saying "that I have worked like a black today" after a particularly hard day, would be immediately picked up and I wouldn't have said it twice ! I am certainly much more racially-aware since my two year tour of duty up the smoke.
In my experience most racism comes from people and areas that see very little non-white faces. In the far west of Cornwall where I have a caravan its almost 100% white. If you see a black or brown face, its invariably in a curry restaurant or takeaway.
Mind you, the Cornish are not renown for their easy acceptance of foreigners. They don't mind going over the border to Devon, as long as they can get back home before it gets dark ! In the Eden project, there is a large sign over the takeaway pasty cafe, that says ::::
" It was said that the Devil never strayed over the Tamar into Cornwall, because he had heard that those Cornish housewives would put anything into a pasty, and he didn't want to take the risk ! "
Written by a Devonian, no doubt.
In their favour, most of the people mentioned above now think twice before using the phrase. If we can't respect our neighbours, than there is no future for any of us. The remark of "darkies" did, however, give most of us a shock at the Meeting, and it highly unlikely that the chap will use that phrase again, at least in a work-related situation. Our job brings us into close contact with people from all walks of life....different social levels as well as different races, religions and different sexualities. I have feeling that the chap involved may find himself out of a job if someone overhears him in the future.
But this low-level racism, mostly of it at least, is unconscious and not deliberate. But it exists very widely in Britain from my experience. I used to work for BT and in the late 80's I was sent up to central London on loan, from my telephone exchange in Wales. The difference was palpable and immediate. My colleagues there were from all sorts of backgrounds. The sort of phrase that even I might have used all those years ago, like saying "that I have worked like a black today" after a particularly hard day, would be immediately picked up and I wouldn't have said it twice ! I am certainly much more racially-aware since my two year tour of duty up the smoke.
In my experience most racism comes from people and areas that see very little non-white faces. In the far west of Cornwall where I have a caravan its almost 100% white. If you see a black or brown face, its invariably in a curry restaurant or takeaway.
Mind you, the Cornish are not renown for their easy acceptance of foreigners. They don't mind going over the border to Devon, as long as they can get back home before it gets dark ! In the Eden project, there is a large sign over the takeaway pasty cafe, that says ::::
" It was said that the Devil never strayed over the Tamar into Cornwall, because he had heard that those Cornish housewives would put anything into a pasty, and he didn't want to take the risk ! "
Written by a Devonian, no doubt.
