Violence Breaks Out In Paris Over Burkha Ban

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2341113/Frances-burkha-ban-sparks-violence-Paris-police-try-arrest-woman-wearing-veil-pregnant-woman-attacked-covering-face.html

Whereas it was completely wrong for a pregnant woman to be attacked by two men, In a separate incident Was it right for the French police to be attacked by a mob of 60 for enforcing the French burkha ban?

[emmie]

woof, i know, but it will be a very long road to convince those who think it's their right to wear it, be it Imam, husband, wife, family, for whatever religious, cultural reasons. I see more and more women here who wear the burkha and veil, one woman on the bus the other day was entirely clad in black, not even hands showing, nor eyes, even the chap sitting next to me shrugged his shoulders, i don't understand why anyone would wear it, but i am not religious in any sense. Nor do i understand why some women in Mediterranean countries wore black for the rest of their lives after their husbands died, nor why some Jewish women feel it necessary to cut their hair off, and wear a wig. Perhaps those of us atheists are not meant to understand, don't know..

[jno]

Nor do i understand why some women in Mediterranean countries wore black for the rest of their lives after their husbands died

Queen Victoria did that and she wasn't Mediterranean. Nor was it anything to do with religion. She was mourning her husband, that's all.

[anotheoldgit]

Right or wrong if the wearing of the burkha is against French law then it should be respected, if people only abide by the laws that they personally agree with then we have anarchy, I would also like it to be implemented in the UK.

We are far too tolerant in the West, try walking out in some forms of Western dress in some Middle Eastern countries, and one would be arrested and slung in jail make no mistake.

[emmie]

one woman, the women i came across were not all old ladies, many young ones too, it was part and parcel of the culture.

[Gromit]

They might as well tell nuns that the Habit is banned but they are free to wear hotpants if they want to. It just isn't going to happen.

Thankfully, we are not as stupid as the French, and we should be pleased common sense prevails here.

[jno]

not just one woman, it was standard among Victorian women, though not usually for life.

[Epona]

With a Western upbringing its very difficult to imagine the mindset of a Muslim woman and understand the choices they freely make. Its hard to realise that women can be modest, not want to flaunt themselves and are quite happy to wear the Burkha. There will be women who are pressured to wear it, there are Western women who are pressured to wear or not to wear certain clothes by partners or even fashion so why should it be different for Muslim women? Its an utter disgrace that an integral part of a persons religion and their free will be prohibited by Law.

[emmie]

i never said that part was religion based, i said that i don't understand why any woman would feel the need to wear black for the rest of her days just because she was widowed, Queen Victoria was a one off, women may have worn black for a time, but not for good.

[Epona]

Anotheroldgit, The French have never been a people who tend to follow Laws, just look at the E.U laws directives etc.

[anotheoldgit]

Imagine what it would be like if everyone chose to walk around in burkhas?

[RATTER15]

I agree with AOG: //I would also like it to be implemented in the UK.//

So would I, if they don't like it they can go to another country where it is tolerated!

When in Rome.....

[FredPuli43]

Where in North Africa were you, em? It is worn in Egypt and Syria but, as to France, a walk in Marseille, for example, where there's an enormous population from Algeria and Morocco will not produce any sightings. You'll see plenty of niqabs and burkas in Harrods and Bond Street though!

What has happened is that young Muslim women in France have taken up the niqab as an emblem, as something to wear to show solidarity and defiance for the cause of Muslim equality. That neither their mothers nor any of their ancestors ever wore such a thing is not relevant to the thinking

[Octavius]

Queen Vic was not a one off. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, widowers were expected to adhere to certain social conventions, to wear black and refrain from attending any entertainment events for a year.

[emmie]

epona, the problem here is that we are constantly barracked with tales of integration and diversity, all the while you have sections of our society that one may not come across or indeed be able to communicate with, it's as though some are saying this is my culture, like it or lump it, yet not being part of the wider community. I wouldn't go to any Islamic country and not adhere to their laws, i wouldn't be able to, same for anywhere, yet if France for it's own reasons has banned it, then you have some who are clearly flouting those laws. I always wonder why people upsticks and move many miles away and not become part of that country, either British abroad or indeed many who have their own communities and lives in Britain but don't integrate.

[emmie]

one year, not for life. How many more times.

[redvanman]

These muslim's think they are a law unto theme selves stop them now before it is to late

[Gromit]

I find the sight of older ladies in leggings repulsive. Can we ban those in the UK?

[emmie]

if you want to see women clad in burkha and veiled, walk down the East end, Brick Lane, Roman Road, not to mention many other parts of London, it has become more prominent, whether it's because we have more people who now reside here from countries such as Somalia, and Pakistan, Afghanistan, i don't know. Perhaps as been suggested it is to show solidarity to their sisters, religion, culture.. why if so.

[FredPuli43]

Slung in jail for wearing which western dress, aog? Have you tried walking bare-chested in Antibes? That will get you arrested, as it will in Menton and some other French towns. It is deemed offensive and contrary to the nature and good ordinance of the town. The French obey that local law. But they don't obey laws, national or local, which they don't, as a people, like. That's why you see dogs in restaurants; nobody is going to enforce a law if everyone is going to ignore it as not agreeable.

[Octavius]

em10 How do you know she was the only one who did it? Admittedly some went into half mourning for the rest of their lives and wore only grey or dark purple, but I doubt she was unique in that sense.