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Police Spies Tried To Smear The Family Of Stephen Lawrence.
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Why has it taken 20 years for this whistle-blower to come forward?
/// The whistleblower is one of several to come forward to reveal deeply suspect practices by those ordered to infiltrate political protest groups from the 1980s onwards. ///
/// The whistleblower is one of several to come forward to reveal deeply suspect practices by those ordered to infiltrate political protest groups from the 1980s onwards. ///
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AOG, I take it you remember the Macpherson Inquiry ...
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On 31 July 1997, the Home Secretary Jack Straw ordered a public inquiry, to be conducted by Sir William Macpherson and officially titled "The Inquiry Into The Matters Arising From The Death of Stephen Lawrence". Its report, produced in February 1999, estimated that it had taken "more than 100,000 pages of reports, statements, and other written or printed documents" and concluded that the original Metropolitan Police Service investigation had been incompetent and that officers had committed fundamental errors, including: failing to give first aid when they reached the scene; failing to follow obvious leads during their investigation; and failing to arrest suspects. The report found that there had been a failure of leadership by senior MPS officers and that recommendations of the 1981 Scarman Report, compiled following race-related riots in Brixton and Toxteth, had been ignored.
Detective Superintendent Brian Weeden said during the inquiry that mistakes had been made in the murder investigation, including his own ignorance that he could have arrested the suspects four days after the killing simply on reasonable suspicion, a basic point of criminal law.
The Report also found that the Metropolitan Police was institutionally racist. A total of 70 recommendations for reform were made. These proposals included abolishing the double jeopardy rule and criminalising racist statements made in private. Macpherson also called for reform in the British Civil Service, local governments, the National Health Service, schools, and the judicial system, to address issues of institutional racism.
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Today, as a result of this story breaking (rather than at the time of Macpherson), Straw has referred the Met to the Independent Police Complaints Commission ...
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Former home secretary Jack Straw says he fears the allegations that police planned to smear the family of murdered teenager Stephen Lawrence were true. Jack Straw, who as Labour home secretary commissioned the Macpherson report into police handling of Stephen's murder, is to refer the case to the Independent Police Complaints Commission. He says the revelation shows that parts of the Metropolitan police had a corrupt culture
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On 31 July 1997, the Home Secretary Jack Straw ordered a public inquiry, to be conducted by Sir William Macpherson and officially titled "The Inquiry Into The Matters Arising From The Death of Stephen Lawrence". Its report, produced in February 1999, estimated that it had taken "more than 100,000 pages of reports, statements, and other written or printed documents" and concluded that the original Metropolitan Police Service investigation had been incompetent and that officers had committed fundamental errors, including: failing to give first aid when they reached the scene; failing to follow obvious leads during their investigation; and failing to arrest suspects. The report found that there had been a failure of leadership by senior MPS officers and that recommendations of the 1981 Scarman Report, compiled following race-related riots in Brixton and Toxteth, had been ignored.
Detective Superintendent Brian Weeden said during the inquiry that mistakes had been made in the murder investigation, including his own ignorance that he could have arrested the suspects four days after the killing simply on reasonable suspicion, a basic point of criminal law.
The Report also found that the Metropolitan Police was institutionally racist. A total of 70 recommendations for reform were made. These proposals included abolishing the double jeopardy rule and criminalising racist statements made in private. Macpherson also called for reform in the British Civil Service, local governments, the National Health Service, schools, and the judicial system, to address issues of institutional racism.
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Today, as a result of this story breaking (rather than at the time of Macpherson), Straw has referred the Met to the Independent Police Complaints Commission ...
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Former home secretary Jack Straw says he fears the allegations that police planned to smear the family of murdered teenager Stephen Lawrence were true. Jack Straw, who as Labour home secretary commissioned the Macpherson report into police handling of Stephen's murder, is to refer the case to the Independent Police Complaints Commission. He says the revelation shows that parts of the Metropolitan police had a corrupt culture
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/No I think in this case one has to ask why the police thought it necessary to seek out matters concerning the Stephen Lawrence family and associates. /
I think the Police will be asked that very question in the near future.
I'm sure we will all be very interested in whatever explanation they come up with.
That's if they have the time, there must be several hundred officers they still haven't yet interviewed about the more recent example of officers lying to 'fit up' the government Chief Whip in 'Plebgate'
I think the Police will be asked that very question in the near future.
I'm sure we will all be very interested in whatever explanation they come up with.
That's if they have the time, there must be several hundred officers they still haven't yet interviewed about the more recent example of officers lying to 'fit up' the government Chief Whip in 'Plebgate'
/it is always slanted against the police./
Yes
Damned inconvenient when police undercover cops start writing memoirs about their inappropriate duties
In the interests of a 'level playing field', perhaps the police can find an undercover officer who had been trying to dig up some 'dirt' on the Lawrence family but was ordered to stop and was sent off to infiltrate an organised crime gang instead.
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Damned inconvenient when police undercover cops start writing memoirs about their inappropriate duties
In the interests of a 'level playing field', perhaps the police can find an undercover officer who had been trying to dig up some 'dirt' on the Lawrence family but was ordered to stop and was sent off to infiltrate an organised crime gang instead.
@ AoG For Clarity then
When you post this
"No I think in this case one has to ask why the police thought it necessary to seek out matters concerning the Stephen Lawrence family and associates."
I am unsure as to your meaning. The implication of todays allegations are that someone within the Met., feeling the heat of the public interest in the Lawrences high profile campaigning, sanctioned an undercover cop to dig for dirt in an effort to discredit the Lawrences and their campaign and hence ease the pressure on the Met.itself.
Any suggestion that the Lawrences or Stephen himself was involved in anything dodgy, thus providing a possible motive for the murder might have been a legitimate line of enquiry at the time of the investigation, regardless of skin colour - but that is not what is being suggested here.
Now, we do not know that these allegations are correct, but they certainly need to be investigated, because if it were true then that severely weakens the public trust in the police service - something it can ill-afford.For the PM to comment on the matter, for the Home Secretary to offer a statement to the House, for BoJo to comment points to a fairly rare instance of cross-party consensus as to the gravity of the allegations.
I will definitely be watching "Dispatches" tonight, which I believe is all about this matter...
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"No I think in this case one has to ask why the police thought it necessary to seek out matters concerning the Stephen Lawrence family and associates."
I am unsure as to your meaning. The implication of todays allegations are that someone within the Met., feeling the heat of the public interest in the Lawrences high profile campaigning, sanctioned an undercover cop to dig for dirt in an effort to discredit the Lawrences and their campaign and hence ease the pressure on the Met.itself.
Any suggestion that the Lawrences or Stephen himself was involved in anything dodgy, thus providing a possible motive for the murder might have been a legitimate line of enquiry at the time of the investigation, regardless of skin colour - but that is not what is being suggested here.
Now, we do not know that these allegations are correct, but they certainly need to be investigated, because if it were true then that severely weakens the public trust in the police service - something it can ill-afford.For the PM to comment on the matter, for the Home Secretary to offer a statement to the House, for BoJo to comment points to a fairly rare instance of cross-party consensus as to the gravity of the allegations.
I will definitely be watching "Dispatches" tonight, which I believe is all about this matter...
AOG asks why it took 20y for the fella (Francis) to come forward.
I thought this myself and I suppose we have to ask him - watch teevee tonight.
In the IRA - which was known to have Gentlemen (McGuiness, Price sisters, Gerry doodah) and players (Mad mikey, mad Pat, etc) - and what wasnt well described is that the players appeared to have a life-cycle. When very young they would kill everyone and anyone, after ten years, kill only selected targets and at the very end, say to themselves, why are we doing this ?
and I suggest that is what has happened here.
Benjy Stanley who people will remember was a 15 y o blown away in a fish and chip shop, ended up with £ 50k in a bank acct and had a father who was an ex dealer.....[so it is possible that there was dirt to be dug up]
odd points which have not been taken up,
are that Doreen Laurence complained at the time that the support police were asking questions that didnt seem to be related to family support
and also someone has surfaced who says that Francis was suggesting things they just didnt want to do [agent provocateur] so they chucked
him out
so I think it at the time people were saying there is something odd, very odd about all this.
I can tell you Brian Weeden saying he didnt know he could arrest on suspicion (but instead on reasonable doubt) caused consternation and disbelief in police and legal circles.
I thought this myself and I suppose we have to ask him - watch teevee tonight.
In the IRA - which was known to have Gentlemen (McGuiness, Price sisters, Gerry doodah) and players (Mad mikey, mad Pat, etc) - and what wasnt well described is that the players appeared to have a life-cycle. When very young they would kill everyone and anyone, after ten years, kill only selected targets and at the very end, say to themselves, why are we doing this ?
and I suggest that is what has happened here.
Benjy Stanley who people will remember was a 15 y o blown away in a fish and chip shop, ended up with £ 50k in a bank acct and had a father who was an ex dealer.....[so it is possible that there was dirt to be dug up]
odd points which have not been taken up,
are that Doreen Laurence complained at the time that the support police were asking questions that didnt seem to be related to family support
and also someone has surfaced who says that Francis was suggesting things they just didnt want to do [agent provocateur] so they chucked
him out
so I think it at the time people were saying there is something odd, very odd about all this.
I can tell you Brian Weeden saying he didnt know he could arrest on suspicion (but instead on reasonable doubt) caused consternation and disbelief in police and legal circles.
Ummmm
No. AOGs history posting on the Lawrence case is there for all to see. He has consistantly been antagonistic to the notion that the Lawrence family should have had a proper investigation, a fair trial and that they get justice for their dead son who was the victim of a racist attack.
Why he should behave this way about a young black man being murdered is a mystery.
No. AOGs history posting on the Lawrence case is there for all to see. He has consistantly been antagonistic to the notion that the Lawrence family should have had a proper investigation, a fair trial and that they get justice for their dead son who was the victim of a racist attack.
Why he should behave this way about a young black man being murdered is a mystery.
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