Should This Man Be Given Legal Aid?

[naomi24]

A Muslim terror fanatic banned from Britain for being a threat to national security has been given legal aid in a bid to win a UK passport.

Tory MP Douglas Carswell said: “Foreigners must think we are mad. We use taxpayers’ cash to allow people who want to defeat us on the battlefield fight us in our courts.” I agree with him.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5015438/Fanatics-legal-aid-in-bid-for-passport.html#ixzz2ZHczgNwT

[tonyav]

In 2010 he left London for Kabul, accompanied by his second wife,


Wonder if that means he has been married twice or that he has more than one wife.

[Octavius]

It could mean that his first wife did not get assylum to the UK, or anything in between.

[tonyav]

I know, Octavius.

[Dodger666]

I don't agree with this guy getting legal aid, but I didn't agree to MPs getting it either when they were charged for fiddling their expenses. As they were found guilty it would be nice to know if they ever paid it back as they were ordered.

[emmie]

if he wafted off to fight, why on earth should we want him back.
same for those who have gone off to Syria to fight alongside the rebels,i think it was Jon Snow who said, most couldn't point to Syria on a map, why would they go and fight, it's not their war. Born and raised here, yet quite ok to get your backside shot off in a foreign war.

[emmie]

no to legal aid, many can't get it for much more serious cases, sorry if you don't like it...

[Octavius]

"if he wafted off to fight" - are you speculating, or know that for a fact, its a big "if" without much detail isn't it?

[jake-the-peg]

So when this evidence was offered that he attended training camps and he was stripped of his citizenship.

Was the evidence presented to him?
Was he given the chance to dispute it?
Was it tested in a court of law?

Or was it just something that happened behind closed doors, a conversation between some unnamed security officer and the Home secretary.

Is that the sort of country you want to live in? where your rights are taken from you and you aren't party to the evidence or given a chance to challenge it?

Or is it just that those of you that support this action do so because you think it could never happen to you or your nearest and dearest

a case of I'm allright Jack?

[emmie]

that is why i said if, surely that is pretty plain.

[naomi24]

Jake, //Was the evidence presented to him?
Was he given the chance to dispute it?
Was it tested in a court of law?

Or was it just something that happened behind closed doors, a conversation between some unnamed security officer and the Home secretary. //

I don't know. Do you?

[Octavius]

Yes, but you automatically denied him legal aid, on the basis of your 'if'.

"no to legal aid, many can't get it for much more serious cases, sorry if you don't like it..."

[emmie]

i tried to see if there are any updates on this, but nothing i can see on the BBC

[Sqad]

Jake the Peg

\\\Gromit...I agree....but in this case it would appear that the evidence would not stand up in a court of Law.

So...I ask again.....had you been Home Secretary, what would you have done?\\

Gromit has yet to reply...so how about you Jake.......what would you as Home Secretary have done in this case?

[emmie]

i said no to legal aid on the first page of this thread, if you look

[Octavius]

I know em10, and you still don't even know the facts, and said it again.

[naomi24]

Jake, //Is that the sort of country you want to live in? where your rights are taken from you and you aren't party to the evidence or given a chance to challenge it?//

Why do you think that’s the sort of country we live in? Abu Qatada was afforded his ‘rights’ for long enough. Why do you assume other people aren't?

[emmie]

i answered Naomi's question. as did many others.

[Octavius]

Well you were led into an unwavering opinion by vague and debatable "facts". Which was another question on here a couple of weeks ago. Its an interesting social dynamic isn't it.

[emmie]

straightforward question i would have thought. I read the link, and responded accordingly

[naomi24]

Octavius, We don’t know that he ‘wafted off to fight’, but he certainly ‘wafted off’ to undergo terrorist training in Afghanistan. That is not a vague and debatable fact. It’s a very straightforward one.