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Are The Hs2 Plans Unravelling ?
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A new Chairman appointed, Labour throwing doubt on whether it will proceed when they win the next election.
Are we looking at the death throws of HS2 ?
A new Chairman appointed, Labour throwing doubt on whether it will proceed when they win the next election.
Are we looking at the death throws of HS2 ?
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I've asked this before.
Is there any way of ascertaining how this figure of 50 odd billions ( currently ) is broken down .
I would like to be convinced that 'we' are getting value for the money and that billions is not just being charged because there are only a few contractors big enough to do the work . A captive audience if you like .
Is there any way of ascertaining how this figure of 50 odd billions ( currently ) is broken down .
I would like to be convinced that 'we' are getting value for the money and that billions is not just being charged because there are only a few contractors big enough to do the work . A captive audience if you like .
/China, who will be one of our trading competitors in this century are spending $100billion on railways now/
Not comparable
Beijing to Guangzhou is 2153 miles
Benefits of going a bit faster - significant
London to Manchester is 200 miles
Benefits of going a bit faster - not significant
Benefits of having more trains, more seats, cheaper fares and more facilities such as wifi on the train - worth investing in
Not comparable
Beijing to Guangzhou is 2153 miles
Benefits of going a bit faster - significant
London to Manchester is 200 miles
Benefits of going a bit faster - not significant
Benefits of having more trains, more seats, cheaper fares and more facilities such as wifi on the train - worth investing in
Railways initially were not designed to carry passengers, i have said this before, it was built for freight, someone had the bright idea eventually to carry a few people, a novelty that eventually took off. Rail is not the be all and end all, many people travel by car for convenience and because of the expense of the railways, especially if you travel as a family, whereas you get everyone in the car plus luggage, no faffing about and away you go.
I meant the station! From commuters, business trips, day trippers and tourists, for many rail travel is crucial.
How many people drive into Central London (and park) daily when they can hop on a train or the underground?
Similarly for business - the amount of time it would have taken me to get to where I worked near St Pauls to/from Manchester would be many hours in the car, much quicker to get to the station and hop on a train then tube/taxi. Besides, I don't drive so driving would not have been an option anyway.
How many people drive into Central London (and park) daily when they can hop on a train or the underground?
Similarly for business - the amount of time it would have taken me to get to where I worked near St Pauls to/from Manchester would be many hours in the car, much quicker to get to the station and hop on a train then tube/taxi. Besides, I don't drive so driving would not have been an option anyway.
That's right emmie
The purpose of travel is to get to where you want to go, and public transport (trains/planes/buses) don't do that
They take you to their terminus
The Golden Age of rail in the UK partly overcame that by having an enormous network of local stations with interconnecting services, but that was dismantled years ago
The idea that we can spend over an hour getting to and through Euston Station and then over an hour travelling from Piccadilly to where we really want to go is mitigated somehow by the bit in between taking 20 minutes less (in return for a very expensive ticket) is clearly nonsense.
If I can travel on a train and find the space and comfort to do some work, I'm really not that bothered whether it takes 90 minutes or 70 minutes
The purpose of travel is to get to where you want to go, and public transport (trains/planes/buses) don't do that
They take you to their terminus
The Golden Age of rail in the UK partly overcame that by having an enormous network of local stations with interconnecting services, but that was dismantled years ago
The idea that we can spend over an hour getting to and through Euston Station and then over an hour travelling from Piccadilly to where we really want to go is mitigated somehow by the bit in between taking 20 minutes less (in return for a very expensive ticket) is clearly nonsense.
If I can travel on a train and find the space and comfort to do some work, I'm really not that bothered whether it takes 90 minutes or 70 minutes
//They seem to be characterised by;
Optimising passenger numbers in reasonable comfort, Frequent services to lots of destinations, Reliability, Lower noise/emissions,
And last but not least, Low operating costs/Easy maintenance = low ticket prices //
this can be achieved now, and will almost double the available capacity of the railway network - and that is to slow all rail traffic to the maximum speed of today's freight trains, ie 60mph. This would of course mean that virtually all passenger journeys would be faster by road. I'll leave you to decide whether such a move would be politically - or environmentally - acceptable.
Optimising passenger numbers in reasonable comfort, Frequent services to lots of destinations, Reliability, Lower noise/emissions,
And last but not least, Low operating costs/Easy maintenance = low ticket prices //
this can be achieved now, and will almost double the available capacity of the railway network - and that is to slow all rail traffic to the maximum speed of today's freight trains, ie 60mph. This would of course mean that virtually all passenger journeys would be faster by road. I'll leave you to decide whether such a move would be politically - or environmentally - acceptable.
/This would of course mean that virtually all passenger journeys would be faster by road./
mushroom
virtually all passenger journeys are already faster by road
With the exception of travelling into Central London I travel around the UK by road or plane.
When you compare like for like i.e. door to door, no train service is faster than the car
mushroom
virtually all passenger journeys are already faster by road
With the exception of travelling into Central London I travel around the UK by road or plane.
When you compare like for like i.e. door to door, no train service is faster than the car
i have spent longer getting to relatives in UK by train than i did flying to NY, and that was because of the delays, getting to the station, struggling with luggage and so forth.
admittedly i still had to get to the airport, but that was three thousand miles, our current network needs work on it, let the money be spent that way. The it benefits all, not just a relative few
admittedly i still had to get to the airport, but that was three thousand miles, our current network needs work on it, let the money be spent that way. The it benefits all, not just a relative few
True Zeuhl :) I wouldn't have driven it if I could have though. Nowhere to park (without paying through the roof), the time it would have taken to get there, ridiculously early start for a long day (verses train snoozing, chilling or working) etc...
Looking at the difference between travelling by train verses travelling by National Express is always eye opening for me. Would I get on a train which takes just over 2 hours to Euston to jump on the Tube or a coach which takes about 5 hours to Victoria, no contest.
Looking at the difference between travelling by train verses travelling by National Express is always eye opening for me. Would I get on a train which takes just over 2 hours to Euston to jump on the Tube or a coach which takes about 5 hours to Victoria, no contest.
//upgrade what is already in operation, that is long overdue. //
the west coast line upgrade, and that's what it has been, started in 1996 and is still not finished. It has cost millions, and the disruption endured by all users (including freight operators) for what will soon be 20 years has, and is, substantial. the capacity increase which the upgrade was meant to yield has already been used up. a further upgrade, even if any more than edge-tinkering were actually possible, would cause even more disruption, which would be politically unacceptable.
the west coast line upgrade, and that's what it has been, started in 1996 and is still not finished. It has cost millions, and the disruption endured by all users (including freight operators) for what will soon be 20 years has, and is, substantial. the capacity increase which the upgrade was meant to yield has already been used up. a further upgrade, even if any more than edge-tinkering were actually possible, would cause even more disruption, which would be politically unacceptable.
emmie
// Railways initially were not designed to carry passengers, i have said this before, it was built for freight, someone had the bright idea eventually to carry a few people, a novelty that eventually took off. //
That is absolute rubbish. The first Railway line, the Stockton - Darlington 1825 carried passengers from the day it was built.
Likewise the first inner city railway, the Liverpool & Manchester Railway 1830 was designed to carry passengers.
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// Railways initially were not designed to carry passengers, i have said this before, it was built for freight, someone had the bright idea eventually to carry a few people, a novelty that eventually took off. //
That is absolute rubbish. The first Railway line, the Stockton - Darlington 1825 carried passengers from the day it was built.
Likewise the first inner city railway, the Liverpool & Manchester Railway 1830 was designed to carry passengers.
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I hope I hope so Mikey. - I don't see why the Government has to chew up huge acreages of English countryside on this and why they don't add a track to the existing network, widening that where they need to.
Just as I don't know why they have to eat up swathes of virgin land for building on, when there is so much redundant land in towns and cities - and indeed buildings - encourage old shops to be converted back to homes and people living in the town centres would feed onto more restaurants ans some local stores, also encourage business to occupy and convert old civic buildings. We have a beautiful example near here of an old Victoria School House that has been converted (suspended ceilings et al inside) and restored, a local oil services co taking it over and well done them! This is something any Government could do and I would implore that there is some serious thought given to this.
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and preconversion: http://
I will have a drawing of this building in Arts in a few days time...
I would also like to see a major policy review and leadership on our rural economy, the balancing of conservation, preservation of species etc as the the whole lot is so out of kilter and not one recent government has cared - and well for Labour, what they did with foot and mouth was as criminal as what they did in Iraq.
Just as I don't know why they have to eat up swathes of virgin land for building on, when there is so much redundant land in towns and cities - and indeed buildings - encourage old shops to be converted back to homes and people living in the town centres would feed onto more restaurants ans some local stores, also encourage business to occupy and convert old civic buildings. We have a beautiful example near here of an old Victoria School House that has been converted (suspended ceilings et al inside) and restored, a local oil services co taking it over and well done them! This is something any Government could do and I would implore that there is some serious thought given to this.
For reference: http://
and preconversion: http://
I will have a drawing of this building in Arts in a few days time...
I would also like to see a major policy review and leadership on our rural economy, the balancing of conservation, preservation of species etc as the the whole lot is so out of kilter and not one recent government has cared - and well for Labour, what they did with foot and mouth was as criminal as what they did in Iraq.
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