Another Kick In The Gonads For Victims

[bazwillrun]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/owner-of-devil-dogs-which-savaged-girl-14-to-death-walks-free-from-court-8889633.html

she owned these animalsl, she was responsible for them, they killed a young girl and she gets off to all intents and purpose scot free...even if she commits another offence and her sentence is upheld its only a 16 weeks suspended so shed only serve a few weeks

this is getting out of hand now with some of these do-gooder judges

when will it end

[youngmafbog]

Ok, for this trial it was about the care of the dogs, still quite pathetic sentence for that alone.

What amazes me is that she seems not to be considered cuplable in any way for the girls death. Surely having dogs where she had been warned before about her aggressive dogs and how she kept them to then let a minor stay in the property overnight she must have some responsibility that can be prosecuted.

//Burglars and trespassers NOT covered. //
No and we should never have a law that does.

[FredPuli43]

The Act speaks of pit bull type because there is no recognised breed called the pit bull. Not that any of that bit of the Act is helpful because, even if they were properly described by experts as of pit bull type, the offence lies in owning one, rather than in what it does, and the dogs had to be put down anyway

[hc4361]

youngmafbog, the police did put together a case for manslaughter but there was not enough evidence

[bazwillrun]

@viv

i meant that as far as i was concerned the treatment of the dogs, and I dont for one minute condone the way they were treated, was down my list of priorites in this case.

This is another instance of a particular type of person getting specific breeds because of those breeds reputation and propensity for aggressive behaviour

[bazwillrun]

For gods sake when will people accept that the majority of these chavvy sorts get these particular breeds for one reason and one reason only

[jim360]

A very sad and horrible case. I'm not sure it's fair to call the judge a "do-gooder", though. Here the problem seems to be the law, and the only available charges that could be brought were far from what the case seems to demand. I hope this case leads to a change in the law, because yes, to some extent the woman has got off lightly for bringing about the death of a young girl and the horrific lives of several dogs. Sixteen weeks suspended doesn't even come close to justice, taking the case at face value.

[bazwillrun]

"A very sad and horrible case. I'm not sure it's fair to call the judge a "do-gooder"

sorry but yes. quite often hear judges at cases make a statement on things that need to be done for better or worse, but Im not aware of him saying anything like how he regrets that the woman herself couldnt be punished properly for being directly responsible for the death of this girl

[hc4361]

baz, the judge isn't allowed to express personal opinion.
His role in this case was to determine whether or not she was guilty of neglecting the dogs. Nothing else.

[jim360]

Even if he hadn't, it seems odd to call him a "do-gooder" when he can't be said to have done anything good... No, you are being very harsh. Judges are obliged to administer the law, and that is what he has done in this case -- so the law needs changing.

Even if he had said how sad it was, what good would it have done? Maybe alleviated his conscience, but perhaps too in that he could be said to have been trapped by the law and the case presented before him. From my admittedly limited experience, judges can an do express regret that they can't pass a higher sentence, but that is when they're commenting on what the charge actually was: "Sadly what you are guilty of isn't punished significantly enough in my opinion," or that sort of thing. Legally, I'm sure this is right, she is innocent of manslaughter -- and doesn't that mean that it would be presumptive of the judge to comment on that ?

[hc4361]

Apologies, the case was heard in the magistrates' court. No judge involved

[bazwillrun]

i accept that do-gooder wasnt the best of description..but you know eactly what i mean.

at the end of the day this horrible chavvy woman (via nd her "status" dogs) was directly responsible one way or another for the death of this girl and to all intensts and purposes has walked away scot free

Can a magistrates verdict be appealed ?

[jim360]

I'm not sure an appeal would do anything, even if it were possible. No, the law needs changing, and this case shows that starkly and tragically.

[sir.prize]

Don't forget this 'lady' was also fined £150.

A damned disgrace.

[hc4361]

The law IS changing to cover this situation exactly, thankfully

[hc4361]

It was also stressed that this woman's daughter found the victim and was traumatised.
She, too, is a victim. Would it be right to jail her mum?

[sir.prize]

Apparently if the tragedy have happened outside the boundary of the private property, ie in the street, the dog owner probably would have been jailed.

Ironic isn't it?

[bazwillrun]

@hc

theres usually always more than one victim in most cases, but i still dont think the punishment fits the crime.

if the criminals families were taken into account hardly any would end up in prison.

its all part of being responsible for ones actions and the possible consequences, by the sounds of it its lucky for her it wasnt her daughter that got attacked..... i wonder if thats occurred to her

best thing she could do now is to go round her estate and warn all the others off getting these types of dogs and those that have already got them to stop training them as weapons of war...at least she may end up doing some good... highly unlikely i know

[bazwillrun]

hc
you shouldnt be wasting time on here you should be fixing that computer of yours ! :-;

[viv38]

It's the talk in the park today amongst us dog (and baby) walkers. Everybody is up in arm's at her lenient sentence and we all agree that because of chavs like her who think it's OK to own several large dogs and not look after them properly, ALL dog owners come under fire these days. Makes my blood boil. And poor little Jade is never coming back.

[boxtops]

baz, the way the woman kept the dogs is highly material to the situation. If they hadn't been penned in most of the time, instead of using energy running about as dogs should, they wouldn't have been full of tension and frustration and ready to leap on this girl.