Surely This Tragic Case Can't Be Blamed On Forced Marriages Or Honour Based Violence?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2511221/Women-kept-slaves-30-years-rescued-South-London-house.html

/// Freedom Charity, which aims to advise and support victims of forced marriages or honour-based violence, then told police about the call received following a television documentary on forced marriages. ///

[mikey4444]

Well, OK then. I shall bow to Fred's judgement here ! But I just think that keeping someone prisoner for 30 years sounds pretty serious to me.

[sp1814]

Incidentally, it's entirely possible that the 30 year old British woman was born into this environment.

[anotheoldgit]

Once again it seems as if I am being blamed for entering a news item which at the time I knew little about.

I was just asking a question agreeing that this cse could not be blamed on forced marriages or honour killings, but some of you took it on board that I agreed it was.

/// Go on, what is your point here?, should FREEDOM have not got
involved? ///

Did I state that?

/// No...how could it be ? What evidence do you have that makes you think that ? ///

Did I state that?

/// If the point you're raising is that Freedom was the wrong organisation to contact, I would suggest you are wrong, because they are now free. ///

Words put in my mouth once again.

[Zeuhl]

aog

don't be obtuse

your OP question pre-supposed that 'this tragic case' was being 'blamed on forced marriages or honour based violence'

Instead of lashing out, perhaps you should just quietly reflect on the ill-considered construction of your questions

[anotheoldgit]

It now appears that slavery is involved, and that the two arrested and now bailed are foreign nationals.

For some reason the police are keen to announce the nationalities of the three victims, one being Irish, one Malaysian and one British, although British, may be second generation British.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - "I was just asking a question agreeing that this cse could not be blamed on forced marriages or honour killings, but some of you took it on board that I agreed it was."

To be fair AOG, that is due in part to the ambiguity in the way your OP is phrased - combined with your acknowldged singular interest in matters of Muslim / Eastern culture.

If I misunderstood your OP, then I am happy to apologise, but I think it reasonable that you accept a degree of responsibility for the misunderstanding by myself and others.

[naomi24]

//Surely This Tragic Case Can't Be Blamed On Forced Marriages Or Honour Based Violence?//

I see nothing ambiguous in that. AOG is doubting that this case can be blamed on forced marriages or honour-based violence. It's clear enough.

[Zeuhl]

OK Naomi

so who and where was anyone suggesting it was?

/surely Naomi you can't really believe that Islam is the one true religion?/

[naomi24]

Zeuhl, Andy-Hughes suggested it in the post above mine.

//that is due in part to the ambiguity in the way your OP is phrased//

[Zeuhl]

Fair enough Naomi

I was focused more on the dishonesty of presupposition than on any 'ambiguity' in aog's OP

I'm prepared to cut Andy some slack; we all know what Frank Zappa said about music journalists :-)

[andy-hughes]

Thanks Zeuhl!!!!!

[Zeuhl]

LOL

You're welcome!

:-)

[andy-hughes]

Zeuhl - that really has made me laugh!!!

Hope your slack allowance is a rolling concept - I will probably need it again pretty soon!!!

[anotheoldgit]

Thank you naomi24 you seem to have read my post correctly and not with any persevered idea of the poster, which tends to make some read into matters things that are not really there or even true, the following statement is a very good example.

/// combined with your acknowldged singular interest in matters of Muslim / Eastern culture. ///

Singular interest eh???????????????????????????

[andy-hughes]

AOG - "Singular interest eh???????????????????????????"

I think you will have a tough time convincing any regulars on the News Section that your interest in matters of immigration and the Muslim faith is anything less than singular - i stand by my point.

[FredPuli43]

Indeed, AOG, your post reads "Surely this tragic case can't...", which clearly indicates that you expect others to agree; it is in the form of a leading question. Since forced marriage or honour based violence does not feature in this case, nor is there any hint of it, you could hardly expect anyone to disagree.

What debate or discussion were you expecting ?

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// I think you will have a tough time convincing any regulars on the News Section that your interest in matters of immigration and the Muslim faith is anything less than singular - i stand by my point. ///

Try and fight your own corner Andy without the need to include others in your over exaggerations.

If my "anything less than singular" interests in matters of immigration and the Muslim faith (not as if anything is wrong with that if they were) then wouldn't every thread or post that I entered be solely on those two subjects?

Since they are not then I am afraid you are wrong to "stand by your point".

[andy-hughes]

AOG - "If my "anything less than singular" interests in matters of immigration and the Muslim faith (not as if anything is wrong with that if they were) then wouldn't every thread or post that I entered be solely on those two subjects?"

OK, I'll conceede that it's not every post.

Let's comprise and say ninety-nine per cent shall we?

OK - just kidding - have a good evening.

[anotheoldgit]

FredPuli43

/// Indeed, AOG, your post reads "Surely this tragic case can't...", which clearly indicates that you expect others to agree; ///

No I was just asking a question, this being a question and answer site, I don't expect or even care if others agree with me or not.

Has I have already explained when I posted ths question, although it was breaking news little was known of it.

Since Freedom Charity, which aims to advise and support victims of forced marriages or honour-based violence, was called I immediately thought that they were suggesting that it was a forced marriage or honour based violence case, I was obviously wrong to make that assumption, but I shouldn't be castigated for making a mistake, it's no great crime, everyone does so at some time or other.