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Nigella's Assistant's Found Not Guilty
This is just breaking on BBC News - can't find it online.
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I'm still on Team Nigella, and feel that this trial has all been about her, rather that the actual accused.
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I'm still on Team Nigella, and feel that this trial has all been about her, rather that the actual accused.
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// isn't this a classic example of our "wonderful" legal system having little or no interest in establishing the truth, just a battle between apposing barristers. //
It's both. The battle between barristers and the jury's deliberation over the facts presented is the means by which the truth is supposed to be established.
It's both. The battle between barristers and the jury's deliberation over the facts presented is the means by which the truth is supposed to be established.
I feel really sorry for her .She's had all her dirty washing aired in public .
Saatchi is a vindictive old goat .He comes across as jealous of her success .
I think I may have had a toot or two after losing a sister and a youngish husband to cancer like she did .She seems to have trusted these women and they let her down .
Saatchi is a vindictive old goat .He comes across as jealous of her success .
I think I may have had a toot or two after losing a sister and a youngish husband to cancer like she did .She seems to have trusted these women and they let her down .
The civil case has 'legs' because the standard of proof is only that of the balance of probabilities, not 'beyond reasonable doubt' as required in a criminal case.
O.J . Simpson found that out. Acquitted of murder, he was sued for committing the murder and consequent loss. The plaintiffs (as they are still called in America) won and the damages either nearly or did bankrupt him. The same common law principle applies in England.
O.J . Simpson found that out. Acquitted of murder, he was sued for committing the murder and consequent loss. The plaintiffs (as they are still called in America) won and the damages either nearly or did bankrupt him. The same common law principle applies in England.
"Gustav Leibson arrived in London, a immigrant from Latvia in Eastern Europe. A bit of a name tweak from Leibson to Lawson"
so that was before the benefits sytem was in place ? am i right so far ?.......and they changed their name to an English name....and they anglicised and assimilated..how am I doing, still ok !?
so that was before the benefits sytem was in place ? am i right so far ?.......and they changed their name to an English name....and they anglicised and assimilated..how am I doing, still ok !?
Fred -
Do you mean that the Civil case has legs only regarding it being easier to prove in law? Would it be worth it otherwise? (considering means etc)
If (for argument sake) a Civil case here was successful then would its result change anything about the criminal case outcome.
In any case in your opinion - Which is best to do first - Civil or Criminal?
Do you mean that the Civil case has legs only regarding it being easier to prove in law? Would it be worth it otherwise? (considering means etc)
If (for argument sake) a Civil case here was successful then would its result change anything about the criminal case outcome.
In any case in your opinion - Which is best to do first - Civil or Criminal?
Yes, coke tulip. A civil case is always easier for the complainant, for that reason. It's far easier to prove. The existence of a civil court judgment on the same question would be very unusual because the civil litigant would usually know that the criminal trial was pending. Therefore they would hold fire. If the other party was convicted, the civil trial would be instantly won; they'd plead the criminal conviction as more than adequate proof, it being decided to a far higher standard and there could be no realistic defence.
If there were a judgment for the complainant before the criminal trial, it would have little or no relevance save that evidence given in it by a witness could be used in cross-examination of that witness in the criminal trial. Otherwise, the finding of the single judge would not prove much, the standard being so low, and the judgment might well not be referred to at all, as being more prejudicial than probative, given the above.
The key question is always whether the person is worth suing. There's no point in getting judgment and costs against someone who has no means to pay. It may be that these women have still got some of the property but it is unlikely to be anywhere near enough to satisfy the claim, in terms of monetary loss sustained by the claimant. It would make no financial sense to get the judgment.
If there were a judgment for the complainant before the criminal trial, it would have little or no relevance save that evidence given in it by a witness could be used in cross-examination of that witness in the criminal trial. Otherwise, the finding of the single judge would not prove much, the standard being so low, and the judgment might well not be referred to at all, as being more prejudicial than probative, given the above.
The key question is always whether the person is worth suing. There's no point in getting judgment and costs against someone who has no means to pay. It may be that these women have still got some of the property but it is unlikely to be anywhere near enough to satisfy the claim, in terms of monetary loss sustained by the claimant. It would make no financial sense to get the judgment.
I hope it doesn't harm Nigella's career, she has been put into a bad light here by those 'loyal' Grillos and nasty Saatchi. The trial (or the media reports seemed to focus on Nigella which in my view was wrong. It was supposed to be the Grillos who were on trial for being free with Saatchi's money.
Actually I'm team Nigel Slater
Actually I'm team Nigel Slater
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