Cleg To Block More Curbs On Eu Migrants.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2527851/Clegg-says-hell-block-curbs-immigrants-EU.html

/// The Deputy Prime Minister dismissed Home Office proposals for a 75,000 cap on EU migrants as 'pointless' and claimed without freedom of movement the National Health Service would 'fall over'. ///

Could a cap on the freedom of movement cause the National Health Services to 'fall over' or could it help to 'pick it up'?

Is this crack in the coalition the beginning of the end to this unworkable partnership?

[mushroom25]

Clegg won't be blocking any "curb" since there won't be any. that's just sound-bite politics from a prime minister who knows he's powerless to act.

[Gromit]

I am not sure Clegg is correct that the NHS is so dependent on EU migration, though it is very much dependent on immigration from the rest of the world. Private contractors such as cleaning services, laudry services though do rely heavily on eastern European workers. So your hospital might not close but it would be filthy.

I do not like the Coalition, but it is wrong to say it is unworkable. The remarkable thing is, though the two parties appear to be a bad fit, the coalition has worked for the last three and a half years.

[New Judge]

Yes, quite agree with mushroom. There will be no limit as any such measure is contrary to EU Law on the freedom of movement. And this would be the very last government to upset the apple cart, despite Mr Cameron's rhetoric.

Following Mr Clegg's reasoning, if the UK should fail to attract sufficient migrant workers the entire nation will bite the dust. I don't know how it survived prior to the 1960s when immigrant workers began to arrive (at the invitation of the UK government) to work in certain industies and services.

Oh, hang on, I've just remembered! I seem to recall that at that time it was not possible to refuse to work when it was available and still draw benefits. I also don't recall the country having in excess of 2 million people unemployed, many of whom refused to undertake certain jobs that were available.

[anotheoldgit]

Are these some of the migrants which Clegg is referring to that may cause the NHS to collapse if a curb is put on them ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2527822/A-Big-Issue-vendors-eastern-European-countries-magazines-founder-reveals.html

[mushroom25]

the big issue seller near where I work is Romanian, but she isn't any more homeless that I am. she is incredibly forceful when it comes to persuading passers by to purchase, and she knows plenty of words ruder than "bottom" to throw at those who won't buy, or other sellers who try to muscle into "her patch".

[TTG]

The criminal element of EU migrants have nothing to fear from our weak justice and deportation system. That worries me a lot rather than any sort of cap on their numbers.

[EDDIE51]

They are still waffling on about 'Benefit Tourism' when all the evidence is that the migrants just want to work and send cash home. There are ALREADY over 100,000 Romanians/ Bulgarians here all on work visas, they can not claim benefit under the terms of their visa.
It was reported a few weeks ago that NO application for a work visa for a Romanian or Bulgarian had been refused in the past 2 years ( in other words they were ALL approved) , the only thing that will change is that from 1st January they don't need to bother applying for a visa.
A Bulgarian working in the UK can earn and send home enough cash in 5 years to build a new house back home as well as supporting his family.

[New Judge]

And that arrangement benefits the UK because.....

(answers in ten words or less on a postcard please)

[Zeuhl]

Productivity, Taxes and spending

[mushroom25]

//Productivity, Taxes and spending //

.............and a reduction in the overall wages average on which state pension increases are based, meaning a net reduction in pension payments for everybody.

[factor-fiction]

Maybe Clegg is just being honest. We can't cap EU immigration. Anyone who pretends we can is just trying to appear tough to impress voters but really we have to abide by the EU rules

[EDDIE51]

Remember it works both if you want to move to Bulgaria just go!
With an average monthly wage of £300 you could live like a lord on a UK pension.

[youngmafbog]

Cameron knows he can't do anything (unless he is brave enough to take on the EU - and he is spineless) so he puts out that the government is looking to do this. clegg (a well known Europhile) stands up and says we cant do it. Hey presto Status quo.

Clegss statements that the NHS will fail and what will we do without German lawyers is sheer rot and scaremongering though.

[EDDIE51]

90% of migrants come to the UK so they can see a doctor who speaks their language ;-)

[anotheoldgit]

I wonder if the small amount of taxes they will pay ie Income Tax and VAT will pay for the costs of their children's education, the need to house them, the additional strain on the NHS, and interpreters if needed?

[Zeuhl]

/Income Tax and VAT will pay for the costs of their children's education, the need to house them, the additional strain on the NHS/

That applies to a large percentage of the British population

If only net contributors were here who would work in our shops, care for our old people, drive our buses etc etc etc

That's how society works

When immigrants are doing work others don't, then things are being produced that otherwise wouldn't

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT, when you say 'small amount' what figure is that?

[New Judge]

In 2014-15 a person working a 40 hour week at the National Minimum Wage will earn £13,124 (gross). On this sum they will pay £625 Income Tax and £645 National Insurance. Their employer will pay £720 employers’ NI contributions. Of their £11,800 net pay let’s be extremely generous and suggest that half of that sum is spent subject to VAT, raising around £1,100. Total to the Exchequer: around £3,000.

If the employee has two children Child Benefit of £1,752 will be payable. In addition around £1,700 will be available in Child Tax Credit and around £550 in Working Tax Credit (based on the employee either having no partner or one who does not work). I have not considered Housing Benefit (which might be considerable). Total from Exchequer: around £4,000.

Net loss to the Exchequer: about £1k (before considering what costs are incurred in terms of healthcare, education, etc.)

Yes, it is quite true that we have many people already here placing similar burdens on the public purse and I’m not suggesting that all migrants will show a similar loss to the Exchequer (though I’d wager that more show a loss than show a gain). But just what is the point of importing more people who will do likewise just so that they can undertake unskilled low-paid work that those already here “will not do”.

Perhaps somebody could explain to me just what’s in this deal for the UK.

[Zeuhl]

NJ

You've answered your own question:

/they can undertake unskilled low-paid work that those already here “will not do”/

[sandyRoe]

Is it in Cleg's gift to block the newcomers from Eastern Europe who will be our neighbours in the New Year?