West End Nightclub Killing.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/avalon-shooting-nightclub-murder-witnesses-2961762

An incident in down-town Chicago during the 1930s?

No this took place in 2013 London, is our capital getting a more dangerous place?

[jomifl]

Moral, stay away from night clubs.. most rapes and knifings seem to be night club related..

[anotheoldgit]

VHG

Save your criticisms for those who commit these savage crimes instead of those who's only crime is to enter them for debate.

[Peter Pedant]

Oh that's a good one....
any evidence to the contrary of your thesis
that is you dont like it

you can say without any evidence - I believe this to have been doctored.

great

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// AOG ives inthe north Midlands and does not divulge personal information about where he lives. ///

Then have you got a cyristal ball also Gromit ?

[Gromit]

// prefer to believe that the figures are being doctored as per Telegraph and (pardon me) the BBC links //

You can believe what you like AOG, but as Fred pointed out, those links are to different crimes, not murder. They do not support your argument murder is getting worse in the capital.

[Gromit]

// stay away from night clubs.. most rapes and knifings seem to be night club related. //

Clearly untrue.

[Baldric]

///I am no weapons expert, so I ask what kind of hand gun is capable of firing off ten bullets?///

Good example here Aog, there are lots more,

A 9mm Browning Hi Power produced by FN Herstal used by the West German police.
Detachable box magazine; capacities:
13 rounds (9mm)
10 rounds (.40 S&W)

[jomifl]

obviously clearly ;-) own a nightclub do you Gromit?

[Baldric]

And one more for luck!

The Glock 17 is the original 9×19mm Parabellum model, with a standard magazine capacity of 17 rounds.

[anotheoldgit]

Peter Pedant

/// because you can recall more recent murders than say in the good old days of the Krays, you think there were, in fact.....///

Yes but how many names of today's multiple gang members will go down in the annals of crime they are hardly remembered a few days after they been arrested, if they are ever caught that is.

[jake-the-peg]

http://www.citizensreportuk.org/news/2013/01/27/20-percent-reductions-in-london-murder-in-2012/


Answer seems be no at least in 2012 - have to wait another month for 2013 figures

[jomifl]

clearly..http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/10646989.print/

[Baldric]

try this
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/10646989.print/

[jno]

never mind the nightclubs, it's Westfield you need to avoid

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2389085/Britains-crime-hotspots-Astonishing-new-figures-identify-lawless-postcodes-country--zero-Londons-Westfield-Shopping-centres.html

(according to the Mail)

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// You can believe what you like AOG, but as Fred pointed out, those links are to different crimes, not murder. They do not support your argument murder is getting worse in the
capital. ///
.
Read the link that only appatains to those murder where they find the killers those where they don't are generally grouped together as one incident, unless I have read it wrong.

[Gromit]

// where they find the killers those where they don't are generally grouped together as one incident, unless I have read it wrong. //

You have read it wrong. Neither link is about murders. The BBC one mentions attempted murder. The other about crimes being grouped is about burglaries.

// "Crimes are downgraded in seriousness or the numbers are hidden. For example, if 10 caravans are broken into overnight with 10 different victims it will sometimes be recorded as just one crime. //

[sandyRoe]

It's worrying that if someone was trying to escape all this crime by leaving the country via Stanstead they'd still be at risk. More that 1500 crimes reported there in that Mail table.

[Kromovaracun]

So basically AoG asks a question which requires a measurement to ask it. Our best efforts to measure it are presented (and incidentally the British Crime Survey which tries to factor in estimates of unreported crime also says it is decreasing.)

Unfortunately, our best efforts to measure it don't support AOG's favoured conclusion, so they are automatically dismissed as worthless. So basically instead we judge the murder rate by counting the number of cases in the tabloids and giving them a rating for how angry and absolutely disgusted they make us feel.

There's just no point even trying to communicate with you AOG. It used to be sorta funny but now it's just depressing.

[jomifl]

It seems that the country is actually safer especially if you stay away from nightclubs in oxford :-)

[jno]

stay away from Foot Locker, too, notorious crime spots

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/feb/17/foot-locker-brand-spells-trouble