Will This Type Of Thing Be Allowed To 'catch On'?

[anotheoldgit]

I forecast not so long ago that some communities wont be happy until their areas become no go areas for the police and that they will then be able to administer their own justice.

Well it would seem by this that it is already happening.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541635/Murders-rapes-going-unreported-no-zones-police-minority-communities-launch-justice-systems.html

[VHG]

I live on the edge of Birmingham and I had a man from the Gas Board round recently. He said he often gets called out to emergency gas leaks.

He told me a few times he has gone in to areas of mainly black people and he has been told in no uncertain terms by some black people in those areas that white people are not welcome there and he said it has got very nasty.

In fact in some ethnic areas he said that people from his department are not allowed to go out on their own and there has to be two of them.

[Gromit]

We've had this for 25 years, when its white middleclass people its called 'Neighbourhood Watch'.

[VHG]

>>>when its white middleclass people its called 'Neighbourhood Watch'.

Yes of course it is well known that Neighbourhood Watch leaves many murders and rapes unreported.

And they often have "kangaroo courts" where a person is tried in someone's living room then taken out to the local park and hung.

What a load of rubbish.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// We've had this for 25 years, when its white middleclass people its called 'Neighbourhood Watch'. ///

Didn't know that they operated their own justice system.

Also when Neighbourhood Watch members spotted anything untoward going off they phoned the police for them to come and sort things out.

Totally different to what is going off here, still have another try Gromit by all means.

[bazwillrun]

These people dont want our culture our language nothing, they have no intention of integrating assimilating whatsoever..all they want is our country to impliment their culture and ways etc etc..

[THECORBYLOON]

BAZWILLRUN, with folk like you spouting rubbish, I'd want nothing to do with the likes of you either.

[Gromit]

There is no evidence in that report that murders are going unreported. Until I have any evidence of that, I'm afraid I have to dismiss it.

In my own town, there is an asian area. They came to work in the cotton mills, and all lived in the same area because the housing was cheap. We also have a very large Manchester overspill area built to house mainly white people after the slums were cleared in the sixties. It is there estate where the two WPCs were murdered.
The white area has far more policing because there is far more criminality going on there. The asian area it is rare to see any police. That is not because they are issuing their own justice, but because compared to the other area, they are law abiding.

I find it an odd conclusion to come to. There is less call outs for the police from one area so they must be hiding crime. Very affluent areas also report lower crime. Are we to believe they are holding kangeroo courts in their double garages.

"Born under different skies" is a dodgy phrase to use, especially as the majority he is talking about were born in Britain.

[bazwillrun]

@ theloonfromcorby

so you think these people do want to integrate and adopt our culture and way off life then, or is just more garbage out of you at anything that doesnt fit your naive views.

[Gromit]

// In January 2014, he is expected to publish his first annual assessment of the efficiency and effectiveness of the police service in England and Wales, a new statutory requirement under the Police Act 1996 as it was amended by the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act 2011. His assessment will be laid before Parliament, and is expected to be debated in both Houses of Parliament in due course. //

I does not look like the report has been published yet, and until it is, I won't waste any more time commenting on the DMs repirt of it.

[mushroom25]

if it's good enough for the Socialist Worker's Party to dispense justice, then why not community groups?
http://internationalsocialistnetwork.org/index.php/ideas-and-arguments/organisation/swp-crisis/253-trigger-warning-rape-in-the-swp-a-comrade-s-testimony-and-experience-of-the-disputes-committee

[Gromit]

Mushroom
That is a victim of a crime reporting it herself to the organisation she belonged to. No different from the LibDem ladies who were abused. It has nothing to do with no go areas and unofficial courts.
Their may be a reluctance to involve the police, but in the case you highlight, that is not really cultural, though it may involve some prejudice on the leftwingers towards the police.

[THECORBYLOON]

BAZWILLRUN, luckily for us, bigots like you are in a minority. Unfortunately, they often have big gobs.

[FredPuli43]

Not altogether new. I had a case involving Muslims in West London where the police had had great difficulty persuading the community that a stabbing was a police matter, a crime, and not something to be sorted out by arbitration of their elders, with the offender's family paying a sum to the victim. That was in the 1970s.

[Eve]

I can think of a number of areas around here where police would not be very welcome, people like to enforce their own justice, clam up to protect others in the community (or are too scared to give information), the areas which spring to mind are predominantly white areas like some of the estates in Salford and I can think of a number of incidents (murders, mainly shootings) where there has been big difficulty in getting information from the community.

I'd much rather walk round some of the areas which are more dominated by non-white people than some of those areas.

A lot of it is to do with people, not ethnicity. I'm not saying certain things don't go on but it's naïve to think this is an issue to do with only minorities.

[anotheoldgit]

/// The white area has far more policing because there is far more criminality going on there. The asian area it is rare to see any police. ///

/// the areas which spring to mind are predominantly white areas like some of the estates in Salford and I can think of a number of incidents (murders, mainly shootings) where there has been big difficulty in getting information from the community. ///

/// I'd much rather walk round some of the areas which are more dominated by non-white people than some of those areas. ///

One thing that can be said about ethnic groups (notice I chose not to use the word minority) they will support each other, which is more than can be said for a couple of posters on here who seem it necessary to criticise there own in support of others.

[Gromit]

AOG

You think I should be supporting the scum who shot the two WPCs?

Well I won't be. That area has a lot of low lifes and ashame every indigenous briton. The fact that other areas of my town do not need the same level of policing deserves praise.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// You think I should be supporting the scum who shot the two
WPCs? ///

No I don't, neither did I ever suggest it.

This was the remark of yours that I was referring to.

/// The white area has far more policing because there is far more criminality going on there. The asian area it is rare to see any police. ///

And could the reason why it is rare to see any police in the Asian area, be because of what the Chief Inspector of Constabulary is reported as saying, which is after all the point up for discussion?.

But if you are at all suspicious of Daily Mail reports, here is the Guardian's report on the matter.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/18/communities-law-police-chief-winsor

[Eve]

I'm not excusing any criminal behaviour, simply pointing out that these things happen in predominantly white areas as well. The example Gromit uses is a good one.

Similarly the shooting of Anuj Bidve and Lee Erdman (2 minutes walk from each other) and others.

Should I support these kind of people just because they are white/in predominantly white areas and I should "support my own"?