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For right or wrong this man broke another country's laws, and instead of serving a prison sentence he is very lucky to be sent home, but have Britain any obligation to allow his partner to seek asylum in this country?
If so should we also welcome all those other Ugandan gays who wish to come and live in Britain?
For right or wrong this man broke another country's laws, and instead of serving a prison sentence he is very lucky to be sent home, but have Britain any obligation to allow his partner to seek asylum in this country?
If so should we also welcome all those other Ugandan gays who wish to come and live in Britain?
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sp1814
/// Can you spell out what you mean when you say that 'this man broke another country's laws', when he wasn't actually convicted? ///
He may have not been convicted by facing a trial and being sent to prison, because the Judge thought it best to save the money of a costly trial and imprisonment to simply deport him, pity some of our judges don't do the same with some of our foreign nationals that break our laws..
/// On Wednesday Judge Hellen Ajio ordered he should be deported from Uganda. ///
/// Mr Randall, who would have faced a possible two-year prison sentence if found guilty, ///
/// Mr Cheptoyek has denied a more serious charge of carrying out "acts of gross indecency", which could see him jailed for up to seven years if found guilty. ///
/// Can you spell out what you mean when you say that 'this man broke another country's laws', when he wasn't actually convicted? ///
He may have not been convicted by facing a trial and being sent to prison, because the Judge thought it best to save the money of a costly trial and imprisonment to simply deport him, pity some of our judges don't do the same with some of our foreign nationals that break our laws..
/// On Wednesday Judge Hellen Ajio ordered he should be deported from Uganda. ///
/// Mr Randall, who would have faced a possible two-year prison sentence if found guilty, ///
/// Mr Cheptoyek has denied a more serious charge of carrying out "acts of gross indecency", which could see him jailed for up to seven years if found guilty. ///
sp1814
/// Secondly, with regard to allowing his partner into the country, I am quite happy to provide a safe haven. ///
Do you mean that you would actually take his partner in yourself?
/// If I were alive during WWII, and knew of the persecution of Jews in Germany, I would be perfectly happy to provide asylum. ///
Once again are you taking personally, if not and you are meaning Britain has a whole then, back then Britain did not have the problems that mass immigration has bestowed on this country
/// But there's an error with your question. ///
/// The situation here is where a British man is applying for his partner to be allowed into the country. ///
/// That's different from proposing to allow all gay men and women from Uganda into the UK. ///
There is no error, if he was actually married to this man, then yes there would be grounds to apply for asylum, but as far as we know he isn't, so he would just be applying because he is gay, so therefore what is stopping other gays from applying also?
/// But even if that was the proposal, I would be happy. ///
I am sure you would SP, why would we think differently? but once again you seem to be talking personally once again.
/// Secondly, with regard to allowing his partner into the country, I am quite happy to provide a safe haven. ///
Do you mean that you would actually take his partner in yourself?
/// If I were alive during WWII, and knew of the persecution of Jews in Germany, I would be perfectly happy to provide asylum. ///
Once again are you taking personally, if not and you are meaning Britain has a whole then, back then Britain did not have the problems that mass immigration has bestowed on this country
/// But there's an error with your question. ///
/// The situation here is where a British man is applying for his partner to be allowed into the country. ///
/// That's different from proposing to allow all gay men and women from Uganda into the UK. ///
There is no error, if he was actually married to this man, then yes there would be grounds to apply for asylum, but as far as we know he isn't, so he would just be applying because he is gay, so therefore what is stopping other gays from applying also?
/// But even if that was the proposal, I would be happy. ///
I am sure you would SP, why would we think differently? but once again you seem to be talking personally once again.
AOG
No, why would I take his partner in?
He has a partner, and therefore somewhere to stay.
In the same way, I'm not going to personally look after any pensioner, but am quite happy for my taxes and national insurance contributions to pay for their pensions and other benefits.
And yes - with the Jews, I would be happy for my country to take them in.
And you're quite right, I am speaking from a personal point of view.
When you respond to a question on AB, don't you speak for yourself, and your personal beliefs.
No, why would I take his partner in?
He has a partner, and therefore somewhere to stay.
In the same way, I'm not going to personally look after any pensioner, but am quite happy for my taxes and national insurance contributions to pay for their pensions and other benefits.
And yes - with the Jews, I would be happy for my country to take them in.
And you're quite right, I am speaking from a personal point of view.
When you respond to a question on AB, don't you speak for yourself, and your personal beliefs.
2sp_
/// I'm glad our judicial system insists on a trial before sentencing. ///
I personally think he is fortunate to escape a trial, but somehow I can't see him demanding one.
For all those that are also ready to attack me, I did not say he was guilty I was just commenting on the BBC report that obviously Uganda has strict anti-gay laws and that this Briton had been brought before an Ugandan judge, so it seems obvious that he had been seen to have broken those laws.
But if there is any doubt, perhaps he should apply at the Ugandan embassy and demand to be sent to trial in an attempt to clear himself of all charges?.
/// I'm glad our judicial system insists on a trial before sentencing. ///
I personally think he is fortunate to escape a trial, but somehow I can't see him demanding one.
For all those that are also ready to attack me, I did not say he was guilty I was just commenting on the BBC report that obviously Uganda has strict anti-gay laws and that this Briton had been brought before an Ugandan judge, so it seems obvious that he had been seen to have broken those laws.
But if there is any doubt, perhaps he should apply at the Ugandan embassy and demand to be sent to trial in an attempt to clear himself of all charges?.
AOG
No need to apologise. I went from writing collectively to individually. You asked if 'we' (meaning 'Britain') should take him in, and I responded with my own personal view, in that 'I would be happy for the country to take him in'.
I give money every month to Shelter and the Terrence Higgins trust because these are two causes I care about - however, I'm not willing to take in a homeless person, or provide primary care for someone who has HIV/AIDS. It's what defines the border between my personal selflessness/selfishness.
Everyone has one.
No need to apologise. I went from writing collectively to individually. You asked if 'we' (meaning 'Britain') should take him in, and I responded with my own personal view, in that 'I would be happy for the country to take him in'.
I give money every month to Shelter and the Terrence Higgins trust because these are two causes I care about - however, I'm not willing to take in a homeless person, or provide primary care for someone who has HIV/AIDS. It's what defines the border between my personal selflessness/selfishness.
Everyone has one.
sp1814
/// And yes - with the Jews, I would be happy for my country to take them in. ///
Once again I must have missed the 'country' bit when you put:
/// I would be perfectly happy to provide asylum, and /// you're quite right, I am speaking from a personal point of view. ///
One wonders where these words go missing to.
/// And yes - with the Jews, I would be happy for my country to take them in. ///
Once again I must have missed the 'country' bit when you put:
/// I would be perfectly happy to provide asylum, and /// you're quite right, I am speaking from a personal point of view. ///
One wonders where these words go missing to.
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THECORBYLOON
/// if you do not think him guilty, why do you describe him as being very lucky to have been deported and fortunate to have escaped a trial? ///
Perhaps if it was at all possible you should ask that question to Bernard Randall I am sure he would say he was very lucky and fortunate.
But tell me do you think he was not guilty and therefore deserves a trial so as to prove himself so?
/// if you do not think him guilty, why do you describe him as being very lucky to have been deported and fortunate to have escaped a trial? ///
Perhaps if it was at all possible you should ask that question to Bernard Randall I am sure he would say he was very lucky and fortunate.
But tell me do you think he was not guilty and therefore deserves a trial so as to prove himself so?
sp1814
/// To save confusion, please be aware that when I speak for myself, unless I state it explicitly, I am speaking as a British citizen, rather than a homeowner. ///
No to save confusion please put what you mean.
And when you speak as a British citizen are you also only speaking personally or for all British citizens?
/// To save confusion, please be aware that when I speak for myself, unless I state it explicitly, I am speaking as a British citizen, rather than a homeowner. ///
No to save confusion please put what you mean.
And when you speak as a British citizen are you also only speaking personally or for all British citizens?
AOG
Semantics. When I speak a British citizen, I'm speaking for myself. I have no mandate to speak on behalf of anyone else.
The confusion here may be down to the fact that (personally) this is what we (collectively) should be doing. I'm switching between what what I feel personally to what I believe we should do collectively.
But let's not get hung up on that, because it's a total side-issue to what you asked.
Let's get back to your question.
You asked whether Britain has an obligation to grant right to remain in the UK. I believe the answer is 'yes'.
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This does not cover all other gay Ugandans unless they have British partners.
For them, I guess they would have to apply as asylum seekers.
Semantics. When I speak a British citizen, I'm speaking for myself. I have no mandate to speak on behalf of anyone else.
The confusion here may be down to the fact that (personally) this is what we (collectively) should be doing. I'm switching between what what I feel personally to what I believe we should do collectively.
But let's not get hung up on that, because it's a total side-issue to what you asked.
Let's get back to your question.
You asked whether Britain has an obligation to grant right to remain in the UK. I believe the answer is 'yes'.
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This does not cover all other gay Ugandans unless they have British partners.
For them, I guess they would have to apply as asylum seekers.
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