This Time It Is The Oap's

[DrFilth]

the poor will just get poorer

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/iain-duncan-smith-targets-poor-3109721#.UvDK4rQpFTs

[anotheoldgit]

DrFilth

/// i knew you would post that aog that is why i did a link to the mirror a good tory paper ///

You can't be serious?


*** On 4 May 2010, the newspaper printed a picture of Conservative Leader David Cameron with a giant red cross through his face. The headline read "How to stop him" in reference to the general election two days later, thus confirming the Daily Mirror's Labour allegiance. The election ended in Britain's first hung parliament since 1974, but Cameron still became prime minister of the country within days as the Conservatives formed a coalition with the Liberal Democrats. The Daily Mirror was the only leading national newspaper to remain loyal to Labour and Gordon Brown at a time when opinion polls showed them on course for their worst election result since 1983. ***

[ToraToraTora]

lefty paper berates Tory! shocker!

Half the story, all He's talking about is means testing, should lord sugar get £400 heating allowance?

[DrFilth]

he will not need r1 he will get more back in tax

[DrFilth]

that should be he will not need it

sorry watching vids on american homeless

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGpv504A5G0

[ladybirder]

One of the comments on the mail article seems to make sense, to me, as a compromise. I'll copy it so you don't have to trawl for to it:

Pensions earned should be considered sacrosanct, however the add ons like bus passes and winter fuel should be re-considered.They were after all only an electoral bribe by Gordon Brown. As a one off.I would add the winter fuel to the basic pension and allow the tax system to take some of it back. Bus passes should require a contribution from the user a standard payment of between £20 and £30 per year would be about right for off peak travel, this would enable a lot of services to continue to every bus users benefit. The TV license problem could be solved in one fell swoop by privatizing the BBC."

Good ideas or not?

[Gromit]

Ladybirder

I think the winter fuel payment was an electorial bribe by John Major, not Gordon Brown.

[lady-janine]

what a lousy thing to even think of doing.

obviously a person of no ethics.

[ladybirder]

Yea, but what do you think of the ideas suggested Gromit? Any good?

[anotheoldgit]

Here is the BBC's slant on it.

/// Reviewing the papers for the BBC News Channel, Independent feature writer James Rampton said the Labour-supporting paper's attack was unusually strong, adding: "It's not holding back at all. The way the Mirror is spinning it, it does look like an attack on pensioners." ///

And what about the Daily Express headline, courtesy the BBC ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-26026880

[sandyRoe]

In IDS's defence, it's widely believed here that he never quite got over an assault by working-class women while he was serving as a young subaltern with the Scots Guards in Derry.
He was on patrol near the Rossville Street flats when the contents of a piss pot were dropped on him from a great height.

[emmie]

cutting bus passes for the elderly and vulnerable may well have a very adverse effect, seeing how many use the passes because they either don't drive, can't afford to, or because they have now got too old to hold a licence, eyesight being the problem, so if they live out in the sticks, and have to rely on public transport won't be going far.

[emmie]

who does Milliband consider wealthy, won't it be more expensive to means test it

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/04/29/ed-miliband-winter-fuel-benefits-pensioners_n_3177367.html

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// I think the winter fuel payment was an electorial bribe by John Major, not Gordon Brown. ///

*** there would be no winter fuel allowance if it had not been introduced by the Labour Government in 1997. When it was introduced it was £20, ***

[dave50]

A lot of pensioners use their free bus passes just to ride about on buses every day, not particularly going anywhere, just for the sake of a bus ride out.

[emmie]

do they, and you know that how?

[mikey4444]

The ghastly IDS ...Just think, we nearly had him for a Prime Minister a few years ago. If only the Tories had managed to get few million more votes !

[DrFilth]

emmie > do they, and you know that how? <

it is well known that oap's travel the buses in the winter time to keep warm when my mum was alive i would let her have a rest sat down in the shopping centre while i did the shopping

on more than one occasion i would return to find her talking to some old person and they would point this out to her, don't know about your town but in manchester they removed a lot of the seats in the arndale shopping centre to stop them siting in the mall all day to keep warm

get on the warm bus and travel around all day free because they can't keep the heating on at home

[emmie]

sorry i don't for a minute believe that most OAP's do this,
my mother wouldn't, nor would any of her friends. They all have free passes, and need them to go doctors, hospital, shops, not necessarily in that order.