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Man Punches Drug Dealer...and?
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What does the Daily Mail expect us to think about this? That the man should not have been prosecuted? That he shouldn't have got six years? That the drug dealer should have been prosecuted for something?
What do you make of it?
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He was NOT just jailed for punching the drug dealer once.
If he had punched him once whilst defending someone, that would have been a different story. To then hit him when he is down is inexcusable.
This "have a go hero" was also prosecuted for a string of other offences, including assault with intent to resist arrest, i.e. he assaulted a police officer.
He deserves his sentence.
If he had punched him once whilst defending someone, that would have been a different story. To then hit him when he is down is inexcusable.
This "have a go hero" was also prosecuted for a string of other offences, including assault with intent to resist arrest, i.e. he assaulted a police officer.
He deserves his sentence.
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I'm a bit confused by bunkmorelands claim that he / she isn't interested in the daily mail when two of their own questions would suggest otherwise
"look i,ve no interest in the daily mail!! I saw a story and replied"
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"look i,ve no interest in the daily mail!! I saw a story and replied"
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We can deduce that this man was guilty of s18, grievous bodily harm with intent to cause grievous bodily harm, because the judge said that the man was lucky not to be charged with murder, for which that intent is necessary. All we have is a man who intervenes but then deliberately inflicts really serious injury. That can never be self defence in these circumstances. The drug dealer element may be a red herring; the defence raised it but nowhere is it suggested that the violence was prompted by the defendant knowing that the victim was a drug pusher. The defendant simply saw the woman in difficulty, being hit once, and waded in intending the most serious injury and inflicting it.
Intervening is one thing, but using it as a reason to inflict those injuries is quite another.
Intervening is one thing, but using it as a reason to inflict those injuries is quite another.
andy-hughes
/// This is the sort of story the Mail loves - it appeals to the Self Righteous Brothers who make up a large proportion of its readership. ///
Simply amazing that once again the insults are meted out towards those who dare to read the Daily Mail.
Why don't these proper 'Self Righteous' persons who feel they are too superior to read the Daily Mail, just give it a wide berth instead of being so self righteous and hypocritical?
Incidentally they must also be amongst the readership, since they either post a link or read a link,
/// Taking the law into your own hands is never an option - because this can be the outcome. ///
What would you have done Andy, just looked the other way, only to read later that a woman had been brutally attacked and later died?
/// If Neale had walked the woman away from the situation taking her out of harm's way, that would be an appropriate response. ///
Yes that would have been easy wouldn't it, (i don't think) do you really think that her attacker would have just let him walk away with her?
/// It is not the role of citizens to mete out their own perceived level of justice - that way lies a vigilante society where only the most brutal and violent get to have their way about how society operates. ///
It's a good job that 70 year old woman who attacked robbers armed with sledgehammers as they tried to raid a Northampton jeweller's store didn't think like you, what if the one that fell off the scooter had damaged his head, would you had been quite content for her to go to jail too?
/// So The Mail pushes the usual buttons, the usual suspects will be offering Neale a medal and a shot at the Mayor Of London role, ///
Oh grow up Andy, you are better than this.
No matter what this guy has done in the past it shouldn't be held against him for this heroic deed.
/// This is the sort of story the Mail loves - it appeals to the Self Righteous Brothers who make up a large proportion of its readership. ///
Simply amazing that once again the insults are meted out towards those who dare to read the Daily Mail.
Why don't these proper 'Self Righteous' persons who feel they are too superior to read the Daily Mail, just give it a wide berth instead of being so self righteous and hypocritical?
Incidentally they must also be amongst the readership, since they either post a link or read a link,
/// Taking the law into your own hands is never an option - because this can be the outcome. ///
What would you have done Andy, just looked the other way, only to read later that a woman had been brutally attacked and later died?
/// If Neale had walked the woman away from the situation taking her out of harm's way, that would be an appropriate response. ///
Yes that would have been easy wouldn't it, (i don't think) do you really think that her attacker would have just let him walk away with her?
/// It is not the role of citizens to mete out their own perceived level of justice - that way lies a vigilante society where only the most brutal and violent get to have their way about how society operates. ///
It's a good job that 70 year old woman who attacked robbers armed with sledgehammers as they tried to raid a Northampton jeweller's store didn't think like you, what if the one that fell off the scooter had damaged his head, would you had been quite content for her to go to jail too?
/// So The Mail pushes the usual buttons, the usual suspects will be offering Neale a medal and a shot at the Mayor Of London role, ///
Oh grow up Andy, you are better than this.
No matter what this guy has done in the past it shouldn't be held against him for this heroic deed.
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mrs_overall
/// To then hit him when he is down is inexcusable. ///
That is very easy to say when you were not in that situation, how do we know how violent the 'drug dealer' was, best make sure he didn't get back up on his feet, perhaps the attacker thought?
/// This "have a go hero" was also prosecuted for a string of other offences, including assault with intent to resist arrest, i.e. he assaulted a police officer. ///
Are we to forever condemn a person for their past crimes, of which they have paid the price for?
I always thought that a jury could not be made aware of a prisoners past record, in case it jeopardised their decision on the case in hand?
/// To then hit him when he is down is inexcusable. ///
That is very easy to say when you were not in that situation, how do we know how violent the 'drug dealer' was, best make sure he didn't get back up on his feet, perhaps the attacker thought?
/// This "have a go hero" was also prosecuted for a string of other offences, including assault with intent to resist arrest, i.e. he assaulted a police officer. ///
Are we to forever condemn a person for their past crimes, of which they have paid the price for?
I always thought that a jury could not be made aware of a prisoners past record, in case it jeopardised their decision on the case in hand?
Chewn, why was the dealer not prosecuted ? What could he be prosecuted for? Only abh at best. And what would he get for that, always assuming it could be proved? The evidence would have to be of the man who got six years, not the greatest example of a man of good character, and assuming he was prepared to testify, and the woman herself , if identified and prepared to come forward, otherwise she'd have to be compelled, and we don't know what she'd say. This defendant might, justifiably, not want to be quizzed in court before he himself was tried and sentenced (and wouldn't be) and after getting six years he may not be disposed to pursue. The injured man may not, given his injuries have a memory of events or be in a fit state to give instructions in his defence either.
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