David Cameron Says This Is A Christian Country

[emmie]

is he wrong, if so why, he has been roundly pilloried for his comments by any number of scientists, academics, and so forth,

[Baldric]

Well said Gromit!

[mikey4444]

The basic belief of any religion is that any other religion must be wrong

All religions are diametrically opposed, even though Judaism, Christianity and Islam all share the same basic roots. Christianity is no more arrogant than any other religion.

Never a day dawns that I am not glad I abandoned all that silly nonsense and embraced atheism !

[solvitquick]

Cameron is right by the lettter and wrong in fact.
Formally, the U.K. is christian through the establishment of the C.of E. by Henry VIII (a religious spat by virtue of his rejection of the church of Rome).
The U.K. is atheist in practice. Evidence our relatives', friends', neighbours' preference for TV-watching, their TV idols etc rather than thinking of god.
Agnosticism is a an easy cop-out, allowing ignoral of religious "teachings" or brainwashing while also allowing attendance at church for marriage, funerals plus ignoring the facts which demonstrate the non-existance of a "divine" creator. The only divine creator has always been mankind himself.
No Cameron was as per usual playing up to the public saying anything popular(?) which costs nothing and is easily swallowed by the gullible.
Kindest Regards,
SIQ.

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT, from the King James Bible,  
'And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.'

[viv38]

Yes, I think we are a Christian country, but not everybody is a 'practising' Christian.

[mikey4444]

solvitquick...the voice of common sense, at last ! All religions are invented, and Christianity is no different to the rest.

[anotheoldgit]

/// Well said Gromit! ///

Talk about buttering up to those who happen to have the same mind set.

[mikey4444]

Viv...how can anyone be a Christian if they are not "Practising" ? Are you saying that you can tick the box that says "Christian" and yet not show any evidence of your faith whatsoever, for instance, by going to Church, getting married in Church, etc ?

How does that work out then ?

[anotheoldgit]

/// David Cameron 'fostering alienation and division' by calling Britain a 'Christian
country' ///

This thread has been highjacked by the atheist amongst us, the headline above is what this is all about,

There are are some who dislike any division in this country yet refuse that it already exists due to their faild utopion dream of a multi racial multi cultural society.

Are they naive enough in believing that if we give up our present Christian country status another prominent religion with not so tolerent views as ours will only be to please to take the helm?

[solvitquick]

If Cameron was right (but actually he's plumb-wrong), why:
(a) Am I constantly donating to U.K. Food Banks - for moral not mystical religious reasons?
(b) Officials of the C. of E., Catholicism and various members of the upper-classes are apparently guilty of disgusting child abuse?
(c) Do most believe it is better to receive than to give? The greed-culture rules (but not O.K. by me)
All "questions" are rhetorical - no answer needed unless you feel impelled to respond.
Kindest Regards,
SIQ.

[viv38]

mickey - I guess because they are brought up as Christian, went to Sunday school and got confirmed ! I don't think it's too hard to be a non practising Christian, they still believe, but don't go to Church regularly or even at all. Not too difficult to understand !

[Gromit]

// yet refuse that it already exists due to their faild utopion dream of a multi racial multi cultural society. //

Last time I looked Christian church goers were from Africa, the West Indies, Eastern Europe etc. christianity itself is multi racial multi cultural.

// Are they naive enough in believing that if we give up our present Christian country status another prominent religion with not so tolerent views as ours will only be to please to take the helm? //

But that won't happen. The point of being secular is not to dump one religion for another. It is to keep religious affairs and State affairs separate. No interference from ANY religion in the running of the country.

[royfromaus]

mikey4444
Never a day dawns that I am not glad I abandoned all that silly nonsense and embraced atheism !


I was wondering why you were sounding like a reformed smoker, mikey.
When exactly did you stop being silly?

[anotheoldgit]

/// Officials of the C. of E., Catholicism and various members of the upper-classes are apparently guilty of disgusting child abuse? ///

Are you not convienietly missing out a particular group of avid child abducters and abusers in your list?

[solvitquick]

Dear AOG,
The headline to the question uses the religious connotation "christian", indeed emmie pondered the category "news" or "religion".
Why now moan about an atheist "hijacking" the thread?
Oh - we have been a multicultural society for centuries and thrived for that reason - we are not a divided society ethnically, just divided by class.
I HAVE RECEIVED A WARNING FROM MICROSOFT THAT THEY ARE (temporarily?) shutting down this site, so if you don't hear from me - luv and take care.
Kindest Regards,
SIQ.

[mikey4444]

royfromaus...naomi recently asked me what why am I an ex-Christian...this is my full reply :::

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Culture/Religion-and-Spirituality/Question1330158-2.html

I have nothing else I can add to that !

[mikey4444]

Gromit... " The point of being secular is not to dump one religion for another. It is to keep religious affairs and State affairs separate. No interference from ANY religion in the running of the country "

Well said !

[anotheoldgit]

Solvitquick

/// HAVE RECEIVED A WARNING FROM MICROSOFT THAT THEY ARE (temporarily?) shutting down this site, ///

When did they tell you that? Not heard anything myself.

[emmie]

zac, i really couldn't get a f***

[solvitquick]

Dear AOG,
Missing from my list (examples atually) of heinous child- or adult-abusers? Yup, sadly it crosses all boundaries of society and all such abusers should be banged up and the key thrown away.
Oh, we are not as differet as you seem to believe.
I am as true a Brit as you AOG, we just think and debate differently.
Sincerest Regards,
SIQ.