Why Is It That White Working Class Children Are At The Bottom Of The Achievement Ladder?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2660739/Open-schools-ten-hours-day-tackle-failure-white-working-class-pupils-say-MPs.html

[jno]

the story suggested it might be a problem in rural or coastal areas; the former may not see many immigrants. So the low level of expectations among native families may go unchallenged by the more demanding ones of immigrants, and it gets to be self-perpetuating.

[boxtops]

On the radio this morning, it was mooted that the less well off may have the less good schools in their localities, so the teaching's not as good as in other areas. I had to go out so I don't know how the discussion ended.

[ToraToraTora]

You all forget, or perhaps you never knew, I was one of those kids, I grew up funded by the state, both my parents never worked, we lived on an estate where that applied to 90%.I was considered weird in my family for comming home with an O level! I was severely berated for even wanting to go to university, my parents went mental when I packed in an actual job to do so. Though mum did cheer up when she found out I had a grant cheque! I don't think much has changed. For what it's worth I reckon I have repaid the state many times over for anything I cost them.

[ummmm]

So not all kids thinks the state should support them regardless of back ground!

[ToraToraTora]

99% of them in my situation do, I have 5 siblings 4 of which are carbon copies of my parents.

[ummmm]

Well I thank my lucky stars. I don't know any benefit scroungers.

[Zeuhl]

///Afro-Caribbean kids, especially the boys, ...could it be that particular group were granted special measures (unavailable for white kids), so as to address their underachievement? //

Can you cite any evidence for these imagined 'special measures' of yours aog?

Or perhaps you can come clean it was only your usual provocative tosh?

[anotheoldgit]

sandyRoe

/// AOG, wouldn't it be discriminatory if special measures were applied to only one group? ///

When has that ever stopped them? Especially where certain groups are concerned.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// Perhaps it is speaking English which is holding white working class children back compared to other minorities. ///

/// Teach them Chinese. ///

Why, which of the other minority groups speak Chinese, apart from the Chinese?

[Gromit]

The difference is coming to light at the age of 5, before proper schooling or before any state education has been spent on the children. It follows on from news that some children are not toilet trained when they start school.

This has nothing to do with money or the state spending more on one group than another. It may be cultural. White working class may have their children much earlier when the parents are barely out of childhood themselves. Or the parents may be of low Educational achievement, so the child doesn't have much to learn from.

[Gromit]

// Teach them Chinese //

Was meant in jest :-)

[Ric.ror]

I never knew that Tora
Well done to you

[anotheoldgit]

sandyRoe

/// Some of these children would be sharing the same classroom. Where's the evidence that white working-class kids would be deprived of something that other got? ///

Special attention from left leaning teachers for one.

Notice when a dignity visits a classroom, who do they generally pose with for their photo-shoots?

[sandyRoe]

Children have learnt a lot before they ever see a schoolroom. If there's never a book or a newspaper in the house, the TV on from morning to night, and parents on benefits, they'll see that as the norm. It would take a lot of character to escape that.

[youngmafbog]

I'm afraid it is very true that parents from ethnic origins want more for their kids than they had. I have seen this over and over when working in 'scumbag acres', it is always the 'whites' that are the problem.

Has it been due to extra facilities in areas of ethnic origins? Possibly but I doubt that is the real problem.

[sandyRoe]

The little cherubic blue-eyed blond haired children?

[anotheoldgit]

Although it does state that they have fallen behind pupils from ethnic minorities by age five, i was not aware that there were any 'pupils' up, to the age of five.

No this article is about academic achievements such as GCSEs etc.

[ummmm]

AOG - children start school at 4.

[anotheoldgit]

sandyRoe

/// Children have learnt a lot before they ever see a schoolroom. If there's never a book or a newspaper in the house, the TV on from morning to night, and parents on benefits, they'll see that as the norm. It would take a lot of character to escape that. ///

And are these matters only white working class problems, how do you account for all the knife and gun crimes committed by black gang members, if they are so well brought up by their parents?