Was Hitler Good At Public Speaking?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11024182/Ukip-MEP-Hitlers-powers-of-public-speaking-are-an-inspiration.html

Strange that this hasn't been entered up for ridicule, by the anti-UKIP brigade?

[mikey4444]

AOG...with respect...drivel.

This idiot exhorted his audience to study and take note of Hitler's talents as an orator. He has planted both his feet firmly in it, and its this lack of judgement that always dogs UKIP. If UKIP wants to be accepted as a serious political party, instead of a comedy turn, the Party need to have more concern for the loonies that it seems to attract.

As it is at the moment, they only have themselves to blame for their sheer lack of effective control and incompetence.

[Gromit]

I could never understand a word he was saying.

[anotheoldgit]

naomi24

/// See that thread from 22:10 Sat 09th Aug 2014. ///

Sorry about that naomi I didn't read far enough to come across the diversion to the original subject matter.

But I am pleased to see that took ABer's misinformer truly to task.

[anotheoldgit]

It's a bit like saying his paintings were rubbish simply just because of who painted them.

It was mentioned that both Hitler and Churchill were brilliant orators, and strangely each dabbled at painting also.

[sp1814]

AOG

Leaving aside the tedious left vs. right playground nonsense for a moment. You raise an interesting point.

If someone who is proven to be wicked or evil has one outstanding characteristic, should that be celebrated?

The films of Leni Riefenstahl are widely regarded as cinematic masterpieces, but if they were material in building the idea of the master race amongst Germans in the '30s (leading to genocide), should they be celebrated now?

And then there's Birth of a Nation, which is both a truly horrific racist piece of cinema and at the same time an important milestone in the history of moving pictures.

Put another way...

What would you say about a young pop star who wanted to emulate the great British glam stars of the seventies...specifically the king of glam...Gary Glitter.

Would you perhaps say, "You know what fella...why not choose someone else...someone who doesn't have that stink about them?"

[royfromaus]

Hitler didn't dabble, he had serious intentions of being an artist.
If he had been successful and not rejected by the Vienna academy of fine arts then ... well, who knows

[sp1814]

AOG

To clarify what I mean, I'm going to reword the opening sentence of this article (I will try to be fair):

"A Ukip MEP has defended a seminar which taught young party members to emulate Hilter’s oratory style because the Nazi dictator was "evil" but “good at public speaking.”

Translation:

"A leading member of the General Medical Councile has defended a seminar which taught young GPs to emulate Dr Harold Shipman's practice standards because the murder was "evil" but “had an impeccably spotless waiting room".

You see?

[sp1814]

'Council' rather than 'Councile' and 'murderer' rather than 'murder'.

Bloody iPad.

[emmie]

to the Germans apparently, not to us perhaps.

[mikey4444]

Nobody is disputing Hitlers gift of the gab, just UKIP's use of him at a rally of their Youth Wing.

[emmie]

are they doing that,

[royfromaus]

Mr Etheridge told Sky News: “Hitler was an evil, monstrous tyrant but that doesn't mean he wasn't good at public speaking.



I can't see anything wrong with that statement.

[EDDIE51]

While disagreeing with Hitler and his policies it has to be admitted that he was a brilliant public speaker. His oratory powers were the main reason for his success. If he had held the same views but been an incompetent speaker he would never have become party leader and the world may have been a different place.

[sp1814]

...and why choose Hitler, when there are others closer to home who would chime more redolently with his audience?

Winston Churchill immediately springs to mind.

Personally, when I think of great orators, the top of my list would be Martin Luther King, Henry V (albeit through the prism of Shakespeare), Malcolm X and Bill Clinton.

I'm drawing the conclusion that if this MEP isn't foolish, but perhaps an attention seeker?

[mikey4444]

From the Telegraph article, Emmie, it appears that Ethridge is saying just that ::::

"Bill Etheridge, had been recorded encouraging students to “pick up little moments” of Hitler’s speaking style, describing him as a "magnetic and forceful" performer at a conference for the Ukip youth wing"

There appears to be no doubt whatsoever that UKIP is using Hitler. Its been repeated on the BBC link that I posted yesterday.

[sp1814]

royfromaus

But there are loads of brilliant public speakers who didn't engage in genocide.

Why not pick one of the non-evil ones as your role model?

[mikey4444]

Apart from SP, isn't there anybody else on here today, that thinks it was an error of judgement for UKIP to hold Hitler up as a good example of anything at all ? As SP has said, there are plenty of other good speakers that Ethridge could have used as examples, but instead he chose to invoke Hitler !

[mikey4444]

Sorry SP...crossed in the post !