You Know It Makes Sense.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746364/Why-I-believe-Clegg-s-job-Nigel-Farage-bed-Ukip-Tory-MP-JACOB-REES-MOGG.html

[Zacs-Master]

JRM is at adds with his chancellor who stated on the AM show that there would never be such an alliance.

[THECORBYLOON]

You want a deputy who hadn't even read his own party's last General Election manifesto?

[Gromit]

It does not make semse, it is bonkers.

The Conservatives do NOT want

1. To be in coalition again. They should plan to win a majority.
2. To encorage their rivals for the right wing vote. They need to win them back, not give up on them


This is the right wing of the party planning for a post-Cameron Conservative Party. They want to take it rightwards from the near centre ot is now.

[Sqad]

I will contribute to this thread after I hear the results of the Clacton bye election.

[Zacs-Master]

Ha ha it will be 'bye' for someone.

[sp1814]

I think it makes very little sense. The electorate should have more choice - not less.

We have a broad spectrum of political parties now...Labour for those who support left of centre ideals, Conservative for right of centre, UKIP for right wing, BNP for ultra-right wing and Liberal for...actually - not quite sure about them.

If you conflate UKIP and the Tories, I suspect there will be a large number of both UKIP and Tory voters who will be put off. Surely the whole point of UKIP is to bring something new to the table, not ensure the continuation of a government whose policies they oppose?

[sp1814]

Sidebar - I didn't realise those telephone boxes still existed?!??

[woofgang]

well but JRM is an idiot.

[retrocop]

sp
I saw several operational in the middle of nowhere on the road between Moffat and Peebles two weeks ago. Apparently vandalism is'nt so much of a problem in the Borders!!

[youngmafbog]

Why is jrm an idiot? You may disagree with him but name calling?

Like Gromit and sp I cannot see the sense. At the moment.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// I think it makes very little sense. The electorate should have more choice - not less. ///

More choice means dilution. (weaker)

/// We have a broad spectrum of political parties now...Labour for those who support left of centre ideals, Conservative for right of centre, UKIP for right wing, BNP for ultra-right wing and Liberal for...actually - not quite sure about them. ///

The Conservative party hasn't been right of centre for years, as regards the Liberal/Dems, they are nearer to Labour than their present bed partners.

/// Surely the whole point of UKIP is to bring something new to the table, not ensure the continuation of a government whose policies they oppose? ///

Ukip cannot come to power yet, so like the Lib/Dems it would be a wise move for them to side with the Tories, at least the Tories have promised a referendum on Europe, which is more than can be said for the other parties.

[lindapalmara]

I don't know where people get the idea that the Labour Party is a left of centre party under the two Eds. Blair moved to the Centre to get in but Ed is too indebted to the old Labour of public ownership and big government and state dependency whilst he is so wrapped up in the unions. I know UKIP is more or less a one policy party but people do worry a lot about Europe. Why aren't they trying to sort out their mistakes that have caused these huge problems with immigration. Open borders have created chaos. I voted in 1974 for a Common Market not an unelected Federal Europe run by unelected commissioners more concerned about banning vacuum cleaners and lining their own pockets than what is going on around them. Whatever it takes to get out of this mess.... Bring it on!!! Talk to UKIP

[mikey4444]

Completely potty idea.

[lindapalmara]

Can always rely on you Mikey to shoot me down. You've won a coconut. I'm on holiday. Off for a pasty!

[ichkeria]

Sometimes I try and decipher the subject matter of these texts from the bizarre concatenation of keywords in the URL.
In this case: "Why-I-believe-Clegg-s-job-Nigel-Farage-bed-Ukip-Tory-MP-JACOB-REES-MOGG"
makes more sense than the actual article :-)

[mikey4444]

I hope its a "proper" Cornish Pasty Linda...have a nice time. I have to wait until December this year before I can get away to my caravan near Lands End.

[sp1814]

lindapalmara

Your description of Labour under Ed and Ed sounds like 'left of centre' to me.

AOG - why can't UKIP come to power yet?

If it's because their policies don't resonate with the majority of the electorate, then it means that the majority of the electorate don't support them.

I believe that what UKIP need to do is concentrate on getting their message across, which they have done very successfully. We know what UKIP stand for, and we can decide our vote based on that.

Imagine a UKIP/Tory coalition...we don't even know what that would look like. Which policies would be rejected and which would be fudged. How would the Europhile section of the Tory party react?

I suspect it would be a bit of a bloodbath. Superficially, the Tories look a fairly good fit with UKIP, but in practical terms, I think there would be major policy problems to overcome.

Also, regarding the promise of a referendum - I just don't see it happening. The Tories are far to beholden to big business, and the corporate world supports closer EU integration (as evidenced by the lobbying from the CBI).

[Gromit]

I cannot see an alliance before the election. The Conservatives and UKIP will go head and UKIP will take some votes and maybe the odd seat.

What happens after the election depends on the result.

If the Tories lose, then JRM and his ilk will dispatch Cameron and take the party rightward and Eurosceptic. If UKIP fail to win more than a couple of seats, then the Conservatives can probably win back the voters who have deserted them.

If the Election is close, then much will depend on if UKIP have won any/enough seats to help the Conservatives. If they have, then a coalition could be on the cards.

If Cameron wins the election, then he won't need Farage.

[lindapalmara]

Sp - nobody in the pocket of the likes of Len Mccluskey is anywhere near the centre

Mikey. In Falmouth, so, yes, real Oggy! Off to St Ives tomorrow.

[mikey4444]

Wish I was going with you Linda...I am very jealous, as Cornwall is my ideal place on the world ! Have a full cooked Breakfast tomorrow, in The Sloop on the Harbour...best breckie in Cornwall !