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Referendum
Of course the GOOD thing about the result of the Scottish Referendum is,
We will not have a Perpetual Tory government in the UK,so some good came out of Scotland. ----- Enjoy.
We will not have a Perpetual Tory government in the UK,so some good came out of Scotland. ----- Enjoy.
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Zacs ..the only reason that coal might be cheaper having been brought from the other side of the planet is because the electricity generating companies don't have the pay for all the millions needed that is needed for the Social Security benefits that the unemployed workers in mining areas now need.
If the cost of the devastation caused by the deliberate industrialisation of Britain, was borne by the people making vast sums of money from imported goods to use and sell on our home market, rather than the Taxpayers, it wouldn't be cheaper at all. We are an island race and to be importing things that we have in abundance, instead of using our own minerals is plain daft.
Australia could import coal from Britain I suppose, and so could Poland, another source of our electricity, but they don't. And they don't because they value the jobs of their own citizens, and don't want to export jobs abroad.
If the cost of the devastation caused by the deliberate industrialisation of Britain, was borne by the people making vast sums of money from imported goods to use and sell on our home market, rather than the Taxpayers, it wouldn't be cheaper at all. We are an island race and to be importing things that we have in abundance, instead of using our own minerals is plain daft.
Australia could import coal from Britain I suppose, and so could Poland, another source of our electricity, but they don't. And they don't because they value the jobs of their own citizens, and don't want to export jobs abroad.
Ah, now I see you are alluding to the motor trade (Japanese cars and bikes). Same story I'm afraid. The unions had a stranglehold on that industry too (I admit the owners had a complacency which also hastened it's demise) until Maggie sorted them out. It must be hard to swallow in 'The valleys' but you were the architects of your own demise.
Mikey, //The Labour administration brought in the Minimum wage//
Yes, and they also abolished the 10p rate tax for low paid earners - and they rifled the working man's pension pot. They gave with one hand and took away with the other!
//Richer getting considerably richer and the poor getting considerably poorer.//
Another fallacy. The gap between the rich and poor widened during the years of Labour government.
//There are many reasons why people vote Labour…//
Really? I can think of only one, which is illustrated perfectly by your reference to "Lots of bright young things with red braces on, driving around the M25 in their Porsches". They're living in the past. They cling to the old concept of 'class', purposefully ignoring the fact that many of those bright, young things succeeded in life because they weren't expected to restrict their lives to trundling to the factory every day, but were given the opportunity to succeed. Yours, Mikey, is the politics of envy, which serves only to exacerbate class divide. Labour is not the party of the working man and the sooner the working man realises it, the better off he will be.
As for Farrier's age, I don't do political correctness, so please don't preach it to me. In this instance, if he is indeed only 14, then I attribute his inability to answer a straightforward question to youth. However, as far as this discussion is concerned whether he is 14 or 40, his continual evasion of that question renders him, in my opinion, impotent.
Yes, and they also abolished the 10p rate tax for low paid earners - and they rifled the working man's pension pot. They gave with one hand and took away with the other!
//Richer getting considerably richer and the poor getting considerably poorer.//
Another fallacy. The gap between the rich and poor widened during the years of Labour government.
//There are many reasons why people vote Labour…//
Really? I can think of only one, which is illustrated perfectly by your reference to "Lots of bright young things with red braces on, driving around the M25 in their Porsches". They're living in the past. They cling to the old concept of 'class', purposefully ignoring the fact that many of those bright, young things succeeded in life because they weren't expected to restrict their lives to trundling to the factory every day, but were given the opportunity to succeed. Yours, Mikey, is the politics of envy, which serves only to exacerbate class divide. Labour is not the party of the working man and the sooner the working man realises it, the better off he will be.
As for Farrier's age, I don't do political correctness, so please don't preach it to me. In this instance, if he is indeed only 14, then I attribute his inability to answer a straightforward question to youth. However, as far as this discussion is concerned whether he is 14 or 40, his continual evasion of that question renders him, in my opinion, impotent.
Mikey, I meant to add this. We've had the conversation about the closure of coal mines more than once - but if you've forgotten I'll remind you. Read this.
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I'm not sure how you conclude that she "spent the money", but you don't appear to read links, so I've copied and edited this from the BBC website for you. It refers to the 1997 election.
"The Conservative government was presiding over steady growth, low inflation, falling unemployment, a buoyant housing market, cheap mortgages and falling income tax rates".
"The Conservative government was presiding over steady growth, low inflation, falling unemployment, a buoyant housing market, cheap mortgages and falling income tax rates".
Naomi...I said that you wouldn't like what I had to say, and I was right !
Leaving aside all the misery of the 80's and 90's, if things were so marvelous in 1997, as you maintain at 17:18, how did they manage to lose the Election is such a spectacular fashion ? Just to remind you, the Tories lost 178 seats and Labour gained 145.
If it was as wonderful as you say it was, why didn't they win ? Labour went onto win 2 more consecutive Elections after 1997, and the Tories were still floundering.
Could it be that the British people no longer believed the lies that you-know-who and then Major told them ?
Leaving aside all the misery of the 80's and 90's, if things were so marvelous in 1997, as you maintain at 17:18, how did they manage to lose the Election is such a spectacular fashion ? Just to remind you, the Tories lost 178 seats and Labour gained 145.
If it was as wonderful as you say it was, why didn't they win ? Labour went onto win 2 more consecutive Elections after 1997, and the Tories were still floundering.
Could it be that the British people no longer believed the lies that you-know-who and then Major told them ?
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