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Perilously close result.
Now, since a 600-odd majority counts equally with a 20,000 majority, at the division, in Westminster, do you see the point I made before about changing to a block vote system in Westminster such that slim majorities carry as little weight as they ought to?
Note: I'm a Labour supporter (not paid up) but I want to see all votes not in favour of the elected official have some ameliorating effect when bills are voted on, in parliament. Hopefully it will encourage more to vote.
Now, since a 600-odd majority counts equally with a 20,000 majority, at the division, in Westminster, do you see the point I made before about changing to a block vote system in Westminster such that slim majorities carry as little weight as they ought to?
Note: I'm a Labour supporter (not paid up) but I want to see all votes not in favour of the elected official have some ameliorating effect when bills are voted on, in parliament. Hopefully it will encourage more to vote.
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There has been a lot of hot air on the radio this morning but in reality, not much has changed. Heywood retained its Labour MP, and it could be argued that Clacton retained its Tory MP, albeit with a sheep in wolves clothing.
By-Elections don't behave like General Elections and never have. In Clacton and Heywood, nobody was voting to see who ends up in Number 10. people traditionally us by-elections as protest votes. This morning Labour have the same number of seats, the Tories have one less, and UKIP have one borrowed seat.
Even if this upward trend with UKIP continues until next May, we still won't end up with a UKIP majority in Westminster, but, as every Tory spokesman will say, and Grant Shapps has said this morning to John Humphrys, it just makes a Labour victory more certain. That is what even dave is saying.
So my message to Tory voters that are tempted to vote for UKIP, all that they will achieve is a Labour administration from next May onwards. Of course, as a Labour supporter, I would want this to happen
Last night could have been better for Labour, it has to be admitted but it was an unmitigated disaster for the Tories. Their own candidate turned traitor and won for Farage.
There has been a lot of hot air on the radio this morning but in reality, not much has changed. Heywood retained its Labour MP, and it could be argued that Clacton retained its Tory MP, albeit with a sheep in wolves clothing.
By-Elections don't behave like General Elections and never have. In Clacton and Heywood, nobody was voting to see who ends up in Number 10. people traditionally us by-elections as protest votes. This morning Labour have the same number of seats, the Tories have one less, and UKIP have one borrowed seat.
Even if this upward trend with UKIP continues until next May, we still won't end up with a UKIP majority in Westminster, but, as every Tory spokesman will say, and Grant Shapps has said this morning to John Humphrys, it just makes a Labour victory more certain. That is what even dave is saying.
So my message to Tory voters that are tempted to vote for UKIP, all that they will achieve is a Labour administration from next May onwards. Of course, as a Labour supporter, I would want this to happen
Last night could have been better for Labour, it has to be admitted but it was an unmitigated disaster for the Tories. Their own candidate turned traitor and won for Farage.
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I cannot see the logic for the Conservatives to do a deal before the General Election (or if they did, not tell the voters about it). The Clacton result was a protest vote at the Conservative lead Coalition Government. If they voters knew that the Conservatives and UKIP were in bed together, the protest would have just gone elsewhere, not really helping the Conservatives. If the Tories and UKIP did a deal, that would encourage a greater number of defectors to chance joining UKIP, if they knew the Conservatives would not stand against them.
Cameron is caught in a hard place. He is damned if he does a deal with Farage, and damned if he doesn't.
I cannot see the logic for the Conservatives to do a deal before the General Election (or if they did, not tell the voters about it). The Clacton result was a protest vote at the Conservative lead Coalition Government. If they voters knew that the Conservatives and UKIP were in bed together, the protest would have just gone elsewhere, not really helping the Conservatives. If the Tories and UKIP did a deal, that would encourage a greater number of defectors to chance joining UKIP, if they knew the Conservatives would not stand against them.
Cameron is caught in a hard place. He is damned if he does a deal with Farage, and damned if he doesn't.
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