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Parliament Has It's First U K I P Member
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Douglas Carswell has won the Clacton seat following his defection from the Tories to UKIP and by some margin it would appear.
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I think in this case PiperH it's fair to pick upon it because there was just a bit of confusion about what you said: "...that UKIP one" could be a particular person being sad/ terrifying ; "...that UKIP won" has an altogether different meaning. Not really "spelling police" -- just "wanting-to-make-sure-I- understood-you-correctly police.
Not the biggest surprise in the world, although again I find it slightly sad that the LibDems lost their deposit. Evidently supporters of that party in 2010 have been disillusioned almost entirely... myself I hope that this doesn't carry on as far as 2015. The LibDems had the somewhat useful role in politics of being approximately in between either of the two main parties while most other smaller parties are to one side or the other of Labour/ Conservative. If the LibDems get slaughtered in 2015 then there will be no middle ground and presumably less appetite for parties to move that way.
Not the biggest surprise in the world, although again I find it slightly sad that the LibDems lost their deposit. Evidently supporters of that party in 2010 have been disillusioned almost entirely... myself I hope that this doesn't carry on as far as 2015. The LibDems had the somewhat useful role in politics of being approximately in between either of the two main parties while most other smaller parties are to one side or the other of Labour/ Conservative. If the LibDems get slaughtered in 2015 then there will be no middle ground and presumably less appetite for parties to move that way.
The Heywood result is the more surprising of the two. Everyone expected the Clacton result, but Labour were expected to hold Heywood by a decent majority. This again puts pressure on Miliband's leadership, or lack of it. Probably too late for Labour to change leader, but to quote a local celebrity and Labour supporter, he is in squeaky bum time.
Kate Hoey is rumoured to be prepared to defect from Labour to UKIP. If she does, then that would put even more pressure on the leader.
Has I have been saying for a while, the emergence of UKIP and the decimation of the LibDems make for the most interesting, and difficult to predict General Election forca long time.
Kate Hoey is rumoured to be prepared to defect from Labour to UKIP. If she does, then that would put even more pressure on the leader.
Has I have been saying for a while, the emergence of UKIP and the decimation of the LibDems make for the most interesting, and difficult to predict General Election forca long time.
// The LibDems had the somewhat useful role in politics of being approximately in between either of the two main parties //
I have to disagree with that. The 2010 LibDem manifesto was perceived as being more left than Labour's, which is what enticed disaffected Labour supports to vote for them, and why their Coalition with the Conservatives was so surprising.
I have to disagree with that. The 2010 LibDem manifesto was perceived as being more left than Labour's, which is what enticed disaffected Labour supports to vote for them, and why their Coalition with the Conservatives was so surprising.
I jsut copied this to another thread but it will do here as well. It's from the Economist, before the vote
Like all political outfits, UKIP is a coalition. It is a partnership of right-wing shire Tories and white, ageing working-class voters disillusioned with Labour. The instincts of these two groups differ in various areas, but they are united by a preference for authoritarian and nationalist policies. Yet a smaller “third UKIP” also exists: Thatcherite and libertarian, comprising much of the party’s youth and some of its younger parliamentary candidates. Until now, this lot have not been prominent (or, in the case of the quietly libertarian Mr Farage, frank) enough to melt the socially conservative glue holding the first and second UKIPs together. But Mr Carswell is nothing if not outspokenly small-statist. Unlike most of his new party, his instincts on immigration are liberal, he cares deeply about civil liberties and wants to disestablish the church. It is not impossible to imagine his election as UKIP’s first fully-fledged MP (and the way that he votes in parliament) hastening the confrontation between these different wings of the party.
Like all political outfits, UKIP is a coalition. It is a partnership of right-wing shire Tories and white, ageing working-class voters disillusioned with Labour. The instincts of these two groups differ in various areas, but they are united by a preference for authoritarian and nationalist policies. Yet a smaller “third UKIP” also exists: Thatcherite and libertarian, comprising much of the party’s youth and some of its younger parliamentary candidates. Until now, this lot have not been prominent (or, in the case of the quietly libertarian Mr Farage, frank) enough to melt the socially conservative glue holding the first and second UKIPs together. But Mr Carswell is nothing if not outspokenly small-statist. Unlike most of his new party, his instincts on immigration are liberal, he cares deeply about civil liberties and wants to disestablish the church. It is not impossible to imagine his election as UKIP’s first fully-fledged MP (and the way that he votes in parliament) hastening the confrontation between these different wings of the party.
I totally disagree that the Tories (or indeed Labour) should change their stance on Europe.
Let the Eurosceptics vote UKIP. Those of us who are *not* Eurosceptics can vote left of centre or right of centre as we wish.
This is great for politics - now those who want out of Europe have a place to put their 'X'. The problem with those who support the ideals of UKIP is that they fail to understand that the party does NOT represent the way that we all feel on Europe and immigration, just as the Conservatives, LibDems and Labour do not represent the entire population.
We now have a clearly electable party for those who want out of Europe. Please feel free to vote for them. Be happy, and leave the traditional parties to follow their own convictions.
Let the Eurosceptics vote UKIP. Those of us who are *not* Eurosceptics can vote left of centre or right of centre as we wish.
This is great for politics - now those who want out of Europe have a place to put their 'X'. The problem with those who support the ideals of UKIP is that they fail to understand that the party does NOT represent the way that we all feel on Europe and immigration, just as the Conservatives, LibDems and Labour do not represent the entire population.
We now have a clearly electable party for those who want out of Europe. Please feel free to vote for them. Be happy, and leave the traditional parties to follow their own convictions.
It used to amaze me that a civilized people like the Germans could have voted for that posturing clown Hitler. Now I see there are similar fools in England !
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Well, you can't really blame consecutive electorates from WWII onwards.
They've subsequently come to their senses and have realised that if they want change, from politicians who are in touch with and listen to their genuine concerns then the days of the so-called main 3 are numbered.
Immigration, NHS, membership of the EU and being governed by Brussels have got the ordinary voter worried. Nobody is addressing those issues head-on, bar UKIP.
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Well, you can't really blame consecutive electorates from WWII onwards.
They've subsequently come to their senses and have realised that if they want change, from politicians who are in touch with and listen to their genuine concerns then the days of the so-called main 3 are numbered.
Immigration, NHS, membership of the EU and being governed by Brussels have got the ordinary voter worried. Nobody is addressing those issues head-on, bar UKIP.
As for Farage's comment about immigrants with HIV, as an NHS worker I totally concur!
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The NHS is under great strain so why on earth would we want to import people with health problems?
We need an immigration system that is similar in all respects to those of Australia and the US. We see enough health tourism at massive cost, why increase it unnecessarily?
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The NHS is under great strain so why on earth would we want to import people with health problems?
We need an immigration system that is similar in all respects to those of Australia and the US. We see enough health tourism at massive cost, why increase it unnecessarily?
"IMHO sp you need to substitute the word 'we' with the word 'I' in that paragraph! "
IMHO
some people need to brush up on their English comprehension
sp did't use the term 'we' he used 'we all'
unless chill/baz you are making the astounding claim that UKIP represents everybody?
I don't think even Nigel would claim that LOL
IMHO
some people need to brush up on their English comprehension
sp did't use the term 'we' he used 'we all'
unless chill/baz you are making the astounding claim that UKIP represents everybody?
I don't think even Nigel would claim that LOL
Splitting hairs Zeuhl.
One would surmise from sp's post that he knew exactly how 'we all' feel when it comes to immigration. On the contrary, he had no idea on my views/stance on it until I made the subsequent post.
I was just pointing out that recent voting in Euro and by elections would strongly suggest otherwise.
One would surmise from sp's post that he knew exactly how 'we all' feel when it comes to immigration. On the contrary, he had no idea on my views/stance on it until I made the subsequent post.
I was just pointing out that recent voting in Euro and by elections would strongly suggest otherwise.
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