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Milliband Promises To Introduce A New Bill To Tackle Immigration.
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I wonder if he would also consider climbing into bed will Nigel, in a Labour/UKIP coalition?
I wonder if he would also consider climbing into bed will Nigel, in a Labour/UKIP coalition?
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Most politicians spend their time paying catch up - seeing what one or other of the main parties have said that chimes with the electorate, and then loudly crying "We're going to do that too if we're elected ..."
But Labour have turned this into an art - and people are not going to fall for it.
The current imigration crisis can be laid farily and squarly at the door of Tony Biar, so the idea that Labour are going to 'fix it', as though it was nothing to do with them in the first place, is frankly insulting.
I have mentioned several times that in my view, Labour remain unelectable with Milliband in charge.
His personal image, or a rather gormless wonk, combined with his ability to back that up by the way he speaks and the things he says means that they have less than no chance.
Of course, they can't be seen to abandon him - but there will be scorch marks on his office floor the day after the election, such will be the speed with which he is removed, for tha failure that he is.
But Labour have turned this into an art - and people are not going to fall for it.
The current imigration crisis can be laid farily and squarly at the door of Tony Biar, so the idea that Labour are going to 'fix it', as though it was nothing to do with them in the first place, is frankly insulting.
I have mentioned several times that in my view, Labour remain unelectable with Milliband in charge.
His personal image, or a rather gormless wonk, combined with his ability to back that up by the way he speaks and the things he says means that they have less than no chance.
Of course, they can't be seen to abandon him - but there will be scorch marks on his office floor the day after the election, such will be the speed with which he is removed, for tha failure that he is.
It is hardly a radical proposition to restore Border controls to the level they were prior to the 2010 General Election. It was madness for the Coalition Government to cut levels of border control in the first place.
// Some of the most swingeing cuts have hit the civil servants who manage the UK's borders. Obscured slightly by a reorganisation inside the Home Office which has seen 8,000 people transferred from the UK Border Agency to the new Border Force, it shows an 18% cut in border staff once the job transfers are taken into account. //
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I am sure the Conservatives got elected in 2010 by promising to protect our borders, then when they got in power they reduced the Border Agency by 900. Just restoring that cut is asensible idea, if we are serious about tackling illegal immigration.
do you disagree with any of this AOG?
// First, action to ensure that when people cross our borders they are counted - in and out – so we know who is here, who has gone home and who has stayed so we can deal with illegal immigration.
But Labour’s immigration plan won’t stop at the border. Tackling the level of dependence on low skilled migration means reforming the way our economy works.
It’s unfair when some employers exploit migrant workers to undercut the terms and conditions of workers here.
So second, we will introduce a law to make it a criminal offence to exploit workers, wherever they come from, with the aim of illegally undercutting wages or conditions here.
And third we will tackle specific problems, for example, introducing laws preventing recruitment agencies hiring only from abroad and those that allow them to exploit loopholes to undercut directly employed staff.
Fourth, we will make sure opportunities are available for our young people here.
So a Labour government will require any large employer who hires a skilled worker from outside the EU to train apprentices here.
People also want to know that when people come here, they will play a full part in our society.
It’s good for all of us.
So fifth, a Labour government would ensure that public sector workers in public-facing roles have minimum standards of English. //
// First, action to ensure that when people cross our borders they are counted - in and out – so we know who is here, who has gone home and who has stayed so we can deal with illegal immigration.
But Labour’s immigration plan won’t stop at the border. Tackling the level of dependence on low skilled migration means reforming the way our economy works.
It’s unfair when some employers exploit migrant workers to undercut the terms and conditions of workers here.
So second, we will introduce a law to make it a criminal offence to exploit workers, wherever they come from, with the aim of illegally undercutting wages or conditions here.
And third we will tackle specific problems, for example, introducing laws preventing recruitment agencies hiring only from abroad and those that allow them to exploit loopholes to undercut directly employed staff.
Fourth, we will make sure opportunities are available for our young people here.
So a Labour government will require any large employer who hires a skilled worker from outside the EU to train apprentices here.
People also want to know that when people come here, they will play a full part in our society.
It’s good for all of us.
So fifth, a Labour government would ensure that public sector workers in public-facing roles have minimum standards of English. //
Sounds good to me Gromit !
AOG...why on earth would Labour want to get into bed with a Party of the medium-to-far right like UKIP ? dave might do it, but only if UKIP have enough seats, which still doesn't look likely. But how would Labour be able to work with a partner like UKIP, which it has nothing in common with and violently dislikes ?
Have you thought about entering for the Booker prize for Fiction ? I am sure you could make a better job of it then Hilary Mantel !
AOG...why on earth would Labour want to get into bed with a Party of the medium-to-far right like UKIP ? dave might do it, but only if UKIP have enough seats, which still doesn't look likely. But how would Labour be able to work with a partner like UKIP, which it has nothing in common with and violently dislikes ?
Have you thought about entering for the Booker prize for Fiction ? I am sure you could make a better job of it then Hilary Mantel !
Rubbish Zehul. If you dared openly voice any dissent on labours great multicultural experiment you were labelled a racist or a little Englander or similar.
On this site it was particularly prevalent.
Even labour now admit this so why can't you, or are your rose tinted specs stuck firmly to your head?
On this site it was particularly prevalent.
Even labour now admit this so why can't you, or are your rose tinted specs stuck firmly to your head?
I've worked abroad myself, zuehl. I've got nothing against people trying to improve their lot by working here. But I do have a problem with mass-immigration undercutting the wages of the indigenous working classes(or fat, lazy, good-for-nothings who wont get off their fat arses, as their generally known on AB nowadays) Of course that'd be ABers who wouldn't dream of breaking into a sweat, ever, let alone for £6 an hour.
The changing face of immigration.
In 1851 the foreign born population was 100,000
The total population was 17,900,000
The Irish born population was 520,000
The Percentage of total population that was born abroad was 0.6
In 1951 the foreign born population was 1,875,000
The total population was 43,700,000
The Irish born population was 470,000
The Percentage of total population that was born abroad was 4.3
And in 2011 the foreign born population was 7,500,000
The total population was 56,000,000
The Irish born population was 400,000
The Percentage of total population that was born abroad was 13.4
In 1851 the foreign born population was 100,000
The total population was 17,900,000
The Irish born population was 520,000
The Percentage of total population that was born abroad was 0.6
In 1951 the foreign born population was 1,875,000
The total population was 43,700,000
The Irish born population was 470,000
The Percentage of total population that was born abroad was 4.3
And in 2011 the foreign born population was 7,500,000
The total population was 56,000,000
The Irish born population was 400,000
The Percentage of total population that was born abroad was 13.4
Svejk
/// Some of us have been saying all those things for years, gromit, only to be called racists and bigots by, er, Labour and their supporters. ///
Yes but it is changing Svejk it seems it is now quite acceptable to criticise the influx of immigrants from the EU, but try and criticise the beginning of the problem I am referring to the huge scale of immigration from the old Empire after WW2, and now more recently those who are coming in from Africa.
Then the whole mood changes and once again the racist labels come out of the cupboard, I wonder why this is, anyone explain?
/// Some of us have been saying all those things for years, gromit, only to be called racists and bigots by, er, Labour and their supporters. ///
Yes but it is changing Svejk it seems it is now quite acceptable to criticise the influx of immigrants from the EU, but try and criticise the beginning of the problem I am referring to the huge scale of immigration from the old Empire after WW2, and now more recently those who are coming in from Africa.
Then the whole mood changes and once again the racist labels come out of the cupboard, I wonder why this is, anyone explain?
Svejk
From the 2010 Labour party Election manifest. Page 5:2
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// We understand people’s concerns about immigration – about whether it will undermine their wages or job prospects, or put pressure on public services or housing – and we have acted. Asylum claims are down to the levels of the early 1990s and net inward migration has fallen. We will use our new Australian- style points-based system to ensure that as growth returns we see rising employment and wages, not rising immigration – but we reject the arbitrary and unworkable Tory quota. //
Have the Tories quotas worked. Are we getting tens of thousands instead of hundreds of thousands - No, you were duped.
From the 2010 Labour party Election manifest. Page 5:2
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// We understand people’s concerns about immigration – about whether it will undermine their wages or job prospects, or put pressure on public services or housing – and we have acted. Asylum claims are down to the levels of the early 1990s and net inward migration has fallen. We will use our new Australian- style points-based system to ensure that as growth returns we see rising employment and wages, not rising immigration – but we reject the arbitrary and unworkable Tory quota. //
Have the Tories quotas worked. Are we getting tens of thousands instead of hundreds of thousands - No, you were duped.
Gromit
/// Have the Tories quotas worked. Are we getting tens of thousands instead of hundreds of thousands - No, you were duped. ///
The Tories or any other party for that matter cannot close the open border policy of the EU, unless they are made to change it or we come out of Europe. As it is now if the whole population of Poland decided to come here we could not stop them.
All thanks to Blair.
/// Have the Tories quotas worked. Are we getting tens of thousands instead of hundreds of thousands - No, you were duped. ///
The Tories or any other party for that matter cannot close the open border policy of the EU, unless they are made to change it or we come out of Europe. As it is now if the whole population of Poland decided to come here we could not stop them.
All thanks to Blair.
TTT...another Swansea lad did just that with the Mace a few years ago....Micky Heseltine as I recall ! I wonder what happened to him ?
If you really want us out of the EEC, then continue voting Tory TTT...its your only chance...a slim one perhaps but nobody else is going to do it. Of course they didn't do it from 1979 until 1997, and then the failed from 2010 until now, but there is still a chance I suppose.
If you really want us out of the EEC, then continue voting Tory TTT...its your only chance...a slim one perhaps but nobody else is going to do it. Of course they didn't do it from 1979 until 1997, and then the failed from 2010 until now, but there is still a chance I suppose.
/any dissent on labours great multicultural experiment you were labelled a racist or a little Englander or similar.
Even labour now admit this so why can't you, or are your rose tinted specs stuck firmly to your head? /
You seem muddled ymb
can you try and work out in your own head that you have confused two different issues :
A: the misguided nature of multiculturalism
B: the prevalence of bigot accusations toward its critics on AB
My post related to B; because though I am critical of what is generally meant by 'multiculturalism', criticisms of it on AB from certain individuals has often contained bigotry and racism.
Your leap from that to assumptions about my views on multiculturalism itself was rather stupid
Even labour now admit this so why can't you, or are your rose tinted specs stuck firmly to your head? /
You seem muddled ymb
can you try and work out in your own head that you have confused two different issues :
A: the misguided nature of multiculturalism
B: the prevalence of bigot accusations toward its critics on AB
My post related to B; because though I am critical of what is generally meant by 'multiculturalism', criticisms of it on AB from certain individuals has often contained bigotry and racism.
Your leap from that to assumptions about my views on multiculturalism itself was rather stupid
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