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Should Turkey Join The Eu?
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Well Cameron thinks so, even after promising to reduce net migration to the UK, plus also promising us a referendum on opting out of the EU.
Well Cameron thinks so, even after promising to reduce net migration to the UK, plus also promising us a referendum on opting out of the EU.
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>>>What business is it ours what religion a fellow Member of the EU chooses to follow ? Because some of the biggest problems this country has faced in the last few years has been from Muslims. Or have you forgotten the 7th July 2005 bombs set off in London. Because I am sure the people who had friends and relatives killed have not forgotten it, nor those who had...
10:05 Wed 10th Dec 2014
Yes arguments 3 and 5 could well be applicable to other recently joined nations. But far from shooting down those arguments, the benefit of hindsight (which in the case of these two factors also had the benefit of foresight) is a very good reason to prevent such mistakes happening again.
One of the biggest reasons that Europe should be very wary of Turkish membership is the Schengen agreement. New members of the EU have no facility to opt out of that agreement in the way that the UK and Ireland have. This means that Turkey's external borders will effectively be mainland Europe's external borders. As well as having borders with Bulgaria and Greece, Turkey has borders with Azerbaijan, Georgia, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Anybody fancy the idea that people crossing into Turkey from any of those nations will have free passage to Calais?
The EU is in a desperate state. The single currency is a mess; many of the PIIGS nations have economies which are teetering on the brink of extinction (witness yesterday's stock market crashes caused by continued uncertainty in Greece); most of the member nations have stagnating economies; deflation is a real problem; the "democratic gap" becomes ever wider as the bloc assumes more powers; waste is rife; corruption is endemic and the budget has not been signed off for almost two decades. The last thing it needs is further expansion which will almost certainly exacerbate those problems.
One of the biggest reasons that Europe should be very wary of Turkish membership is the Schengen agreement. New members of the EU have no facility to opt out of that agreement in the way that the UK and Ireland have. This means that Turkey's external borders will effectively be mainland Europe's external borders. As well as having borders with Bulgaria and Greece, Turkey has borders with Azerbaijan, Georgia, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Anybody fancy the idea that people crossing into Turkey from any of those nations will have free passage to Calais?
The EU is in a desperate state. The single currency is a mess; many of the PIIGS nations have economies which are teetering on the brink of extinction (witness yesterday's stock market crashes caused by continued uncertainty in Greece); most of the member nations have stagnating economies; deflation is a real problem; the "democratic gap" becomes ever wider as the bloc assumes more powers; waste is rife; corruption is endemic and the budget has not been signed off for almost two decades. The last thing it needs is further expansion which will almost certainly exacerbate those problems.
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No they might not tolerate them, methyl, but as you said, they do have leaky borders and they simply dump them elsewhere. If they join the EU they won't have to dump them but simply do as Italy does and quickly usher them over the border towards the richer pastures of northern Europe. With that facility at their disposal, along with the Human Rights legislation that membership of the EU will saddle them with they will not be quite so disposed to patrol their already leaky border controls so rigidly. There is no doubt that once it is known that a ticket to Turkey is effectively a ticket to anywhere else in the EU Turkey will be as attractive as Lampedusua.
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You say mistakes, I always figured it was intention. The EU does tend to make those sorts of decisions. It thinks it has an aim to be Madam Bountiful to all the hard up nations in an effort to prevent hostilities. Whereas properly targeted foreign aid rather than a "blow you Jack" attitude would probably work as well, and be less oppressive to countries that had done what was needed to improve their lot.
As for crowds at Calais, well if we in control of our borders then maybe the success rate of sneaking in, would make trying to get here, not worthwhile.
As for crowds at Calais, well if we in control of our borders then maybe the success rate of sneaking in, would make trying to get here, not worthwhile.
Turkey has been negotiating EU membership for years it is already a candidate state. The main sticking point is the problem of Cyprus. If not for that it would already be a full EU member.
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"The EU border Countries are screaming out for EU assistance to defend their borders from mass illegal immigration."
Yes of course they are. But the masses of illegal immigrants are not massing to settle in Greece or Romania or Slovakia or Bulgaria. They are itching to head north and west to Germany, France and the UK. If those border nations were not party to the Schengen agreement and their neighbours had strong border controls there would be fewer of them prepared to break into the EU illegally.
The Schengen agreement was designed to facilitate the free movement of goods and people entitled to be in the EU. It was not designed to allow free rein to the entire area to anybody who happened to break in. The problems this presents from which the whole of Europe suffers were well forecast. But still the Euromaniacs pressed ahead and yet another serious "mistake" was made.
Yes of course they are. But the masses of illegal immigrants are not massing to settle in Greece or Romania or Slovakia or Bulgaria. They are itching to head north and west to Germany, France and the UK. If those border nations were not party to the Schengen agreement and their neighbours had strong border controls there would be fewer of them prepared to break into the EU illegally.
The Schengen agreement was designed to facilitate the free movement of goods and people entitled to be in the EU. It was not designed to allow free rein to the entire area to anybody who happened to break in. The problems this presents from which the whole of Europe suffers were well forecast. But still the Euromaniacs pressed ahead and yet another serious "mistake" was made.
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Turkey will not become a member of the EU for decades (if ever). The EU has a Catholic heart and France, Germany, Spain and Italy are firmly against allowing a muslim country to join.
The UK's support for their cause is mainly due to Turkey being a very active and important member of NATO. The US see Turkey as a very strategic ally, so the British Government follow the same line. Which is why Cameron and previous British leaders have always supported Turkey's application.
The UK's support for their cause is mainly due to Turkey being a very active and important member of NATO. The US see Turkey as a very strategic ally, so the British Government follow the same line. Which is why Cameron and previous British leaders have always supported Turkey's application.
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