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Isis Burns Jordanian Pilot Alive.
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//I did hope that this poor man would be spared because he is an Arab and a Muslim.// I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve said that people in the western world continually and very naively make the mistake of assuming that Islamists possess a mindset similar to their own. They don’t. The pilot would never have been spared on the grounds that he was an...
08:41 Wed 04th Feb 2015
Their motivation is to establish a Caliphate.
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They haven't morphed. They are Muslim - never doubt it - and they take their instruction from the Koran.
Must go to bed. Night all. x
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They haven't morphed. They are Muslim - never doubt it - and they take their instruction from the Koran.
Must go to bed. Night all. x
> ... a barbarity we would never in our wildest, darkest fears thought we'd see ... we're dealing with the most fanatical maniacs of all time.
Don't think so. These people are simply medieval. Joan of Arc, a 19 year old girl, was burned at the stake. And in this country were "witches" who, having survived being drowned, were also burned alive. Not to mention what has been done in Europe within living memory.
How to deal with IS? Obviously military action is required. At the same time, if we play them at their own medieval game then we lose by driving recruits to them, both locally and globally. We have to have as many of those recruits as possible on our side, by showing them that our way of life is preferable and making sure that IS, and only IS, are perceived as the bad guys. If our response to this is that hundreds or thousands of innocent people are killed alongside some bad guys then that would probably not be helpful.
Don't think so. These people are simply medieval. Joan of Arc, a 19 year old girl, was burned at the stake. And in this country were "witches" who, having survived being drowned, were also burned alive. Not to mention what has been done in Europe within living memory.
How to deal with IS? Obviously military action is required. At the same time, if we play them at their own medieval game then we lose by driving recruits to them, both locally and globally. We have to have as many of those recruits as possible on our side, by showing them that our way of life is preferable and making sure that IS, and only IS, are perceived as the bad guys. If our response to this is that hundreds or thousands of innocent people are killed alongside some bad guys then that would probably not be helpful.
Over the past few weeks, it genuinely seems as if these 'people' (deliberate quotes) are playing some morbid game of oneupmanship in the depravity stakes.
"You've beheaded someone? Well, we're going to throw someone off a building"
"You've thrown someone off a building? Well, we're going to set someone on fire"
There are no words.
"You've beheaded someone? Well, we're going to throw someone off a building"
"You've thrown someone off a building? Well, we're going to set someone on fire"
There are no words.
See my post on another thread.
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Don't think it will make much difference but might give pause for thought. Sounds like sheer revenge, an unpleasant concept, but understandable in the circumstances.
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Don't think it will make much difference but might give pause for thought. Sounds like sheer revenge, an unpleasant concept, but understandable in the circumstances.
//I did hope that this poor man would be spared because he is an Arab and a Muslim.//
I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve said that people in the western world continually and very naively make the mistake of assuming that Islamists possess a mindset similar to their own. They don’t. The pilot would never have been spared on the grounds that he was an Arab and a Muslim because in the eyes of ISIS he was an enemy of Islam - just as every other human being on this planet who doesn’t share their warped medieval philosophy is perceived to be an enemy of Islam - and as such he suffered the penalty for his crime - execution. Fundamentalist Islamists are not patriots – they are Islamists and Islam controls their whole being. There is no compassion and there is no compromise, and if we expect either we are fools. This is not one-upmanship, and neither is it revenge. It’s their way or no way – and woe betide anyone who doesn’t concede. That is the reality.
I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve said that people in the western world continually and very naively make the mistake of assuming that Islamists possess a mindset similar to their own. They don’t. The pilot would never have been spared on the grounds that he was an Arab and a Muslim because in the eyes of ISIS he was an enemy of Islam - just as every other human being on this planet who doesn’t share their warped medieval philosophy is perceived to be an enemy of Islam - and as such he suffered the penalty for his crime - execution. Fundamentalist Islamists are not patriots – they are Islamists and Islam controls their whole being. There is no compassion and there is no compromise, and if we expect either we are fools. This is not one-upmanship, and neither is it revenge. It’s their way or no way – and woe betide anyone who doesn’t concede. That is the reality.
Sadly Naomi you are so very right.
Unfortunately in the West many cannot get their heads round this and so ISIS is allowed to continue.
Inaction by the West now, when they are manageable, will result in catastrophic consequences in the future. We need to act now - and hard, both abroad and here in our own countries. Liberalism has to take a back seat for the time being until ISIS are dealt with.
Unfortunately in the West many cannot get their heads round this and so ISIS is allowed to continue.
Inaction by the West now, when they are manageable, will result in catastrophic consequences in the future. We need to act now - and hard, both abroad and here in our own countries. Liberalism has to take a back seat for the time being until ISIS are dealt with.
Naomi - "I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve said that people in the western world continually and very naively make the mistake of assuming that Islamists possess a mindset similar to their own."
I don't make that mistake.
My hope was just that - a hope - not a realistic proposition because I am perfectly aware that the basis of IS thinking is not routed in religion, or nationality.
For the record though, my hope was shared by this poor man's family, and I am sure, like me, they did not realistically think it would save him - but in this situation, any hope is better than none.
So please don't confuse a sense of hope with a sense if naiivitiy - I always have one, and try hard not often to have the other.
I don't make that mistake.
My hope was just that - a hope - not a realistic proposition because I am perfectly aware that the basis of IS thinking is not routed in religion, or nationality.
For the record though, my hope was shared by this poor man's family, and I am sure, like me, they did not realistically think it would save him - but in this situation, any hope is better than none.
So please don't confuse a sense of hope with a sense if naiivitiy - I always have one, and try hard not often to have the other.
Naomi - "andy-hughes, //I am perfectly aware that the basis of IS thinking is not routed in religion,//
You're mistaken. That's exactly where it's rooted."
We must agree to disagree.
I would concede that religion is the cover for this organisation, the pseudo-righteousness of the truly insane which attracts attention-seeking sociopaths in all faiths, but that is all it is - a convenient peg on which to hang their hatred and violence, but it has nothing to do with Islam, or I would suggest, any faith in the civilised world.
You're mistaken. That's exactly where it's rooted."
We must agree to disagree.
I would concede that religion is the cover for this organisation, the pseudo-righteousness of the truly insane which attracts attention-seeking sociopaths in all faiths, but that is all it is - a convenient peg on which to hang their hatred and violence, but it has nothing to do with Islam, or I would suggest, any faith in the civilised world.
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