Isis Burns Jordanian Pilot Alive.

[ladybirder]

On Sky news now.

[grumpy01]

They probably are muslim but those who are the so called moderates don't denonce them, which gives the impression,rightly or wrongly,that they are all "tarred with the same brush".

[mazie]

Mmmmm. I think that's what they started out as naomi, I'm not sure what they've morphed into...I do understand what you're saying but my mind is not clear on their motivation at the moment...( not your's ) ISIS's.

[naomi24]

Their motivation is to establish a Caliphate.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/caliphate

They haven't morphed. They are Muslim - never doubt it - and they take their instruction from the Koran.


Must go to bed. Night all. x

[Ellipsis]

> ... a barbarity we would never in our wildest, darkest fears thought we'd see ... we're dealing with the most fanatical maniacs of all time.

Don't think so. These people are simply medieval. Joan of Arc, a 19 year old girl, was burned at the stake. And in this country were "witches" who, having survived being drowned, were also burned alive. Not to mention what has been done in Europe within living memory.

How to deal with IS? Obviously military action is required. At the same time, if we play them at their own medieval game then we lose by driving recruits to them, both locally and globally. We have to have as many of those recruits as possible on our side, by showing them that our way of life is preferable and making sure that IS, and only IS, are perceived as the bad guys. If our response to this is that hundreds or thousands of innocent people are killed alongside some bad guys then that would probably not be helpful.

[sp1814]

Over the past few weeks, it genuinely seems as if these 'people' (deliberate quotes) are playing some morbid game of oneupmanship in the depravity stakes.

"You've beheaded someone? Well, we're going to throw someone off a building"

"You've thrown someone off a building? Well, we're going to set someone on fire"

There are no words.

[Jackdaw33]

Let us not forget that not so many months ago the "Dear Leader" of North Korea, Kim Jong Un, decided to have his uncle executed by feeding him to starving dogs.

[Fusion5]

These scum must be off their heads on drugs, who could in their right mind execute any human being in this manner or any manner come to that.

That young airman's mum must be beside herself with grief knowing how he died. Just so sad.

[andy-hughes]

Like his family, I did hope that this poor man would be spared because he is an Arab and a Muslim.

Tragically, his captors decided that his profession as a pilot was more important, so they have made an example of him.

It is so utterly tragic.

[ladybirder]

Jordan has executed two prisoners in retaliation for the murder of their pilot. One is the woman who was near to being freed last week.

Has this upped the stakes now? Where do we go from here?

[Jackdaw33]

See my post on another thread.

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1398378.html

Don't think it will make much difference but might give pause for thought. Sounds like sheer revenge, an unpleasant concept, but understandable in the circumstances.

[ladybirder]

Indeed it is understandable. But what difference it will make I have no idea. The whole thing is so horrendous.

[TWR]

No TV Network throughout the world should have shown this, why give these shower of human Excrement the Publicity that they seek?

[naomi24]

//I did hope that this poor man would be spared because he is an Arab and a Muslim.//

I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve said that people in the western world continually and very naively make the mistake of assuming that Islamists possess a mindset similar to their own. They don’t. The pilot would never have been spared on the grounds that he was an Arab and a Muslim because in the eyes of ISIS he was an enemy of Islam - just as every other human being on this planet who doesn’t share their warped medieval philosophy is perceived to be an enemy of Islam - and as such he suffered the penalty for his crime - execution. Fundamentalist Islamists are not patriots – they are Islamists and Islam controls their whole being. There is no compassion and there is no compromise, and if we expect either we are fools. This is not one-upmanship, and neither is it revenge. It’s their way or no way – and woe betide anyone who doesn’t concede. That is the reality.

[youngmafbog]

Sadly Naomi you are so very right.

Unfortunately in the West many cannot get their heads round this and so ISIS is allowed to continue.

Inaction by the West now, when they are manageable, will result in catastrophic consequences in the future. We need to act now - and hard, both abroad and here in our own countries. Liberalism has to take a back seat for the time being until ISIS are dealt with.

[Booldawg]

Islam has been at war with itself pretty much since its inception. Sunnis/Shi'ites etc.

[ladybirder]

Naomi I have never doubted it. I may recoil in horror and revulsion at each new act of sheer barbarity but I know what you say is the truth unfortunately for everyone and anyone who is not one of them.

[Jackdaw33]

If I were a moderate Muslim living in Western Europe I would be very, very scared right now.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - "I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve said that people in the western world continually and very naively make the mistake of assuming that Islamists possess a mindset similar to their own."

I don't make that mistake.

My hope was just that - a hope - not a realistic proposition because I am perfectly aware that the basis of IS thinking is not routed in religion, or nationality.

For the record though, my hope was shared by this poor man's family, and I am sure, like me, they did not realistically think it would save him - but in this situation, any hope is better than none.

So please don't confuse a sense of hope with a sense if naiivitiy - I always have one, and try hard not often to have the other.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //I am perfectly aware that the basis of IS thinking is not routed in religion,//

You're mistaken. That's exactly where it's rooted.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - "andy-hughes, //I am perfectly aware that the basis of IS thinking is not routed in religion,//

You're mistaken. That's exactly where it's rooted."

We must agree to disagree.

I would concede that religion is the cover for this organisation, the pseudo-righteousness of the truly insane which attracts attention-seeking sociopaths in all faiths, but that is all it is - a convenient peg on which to hang their hatred and violence, but it has nothing to do with Islam, or I would suggest, any faith in the civilised world.