At What Pont Will Our Politicians Wake Up?

[youngmafbog]

http://news.sky.com/story/1428517/egypt-is-threat-coming-closer-to-europe

What is it going to take to do something about this threat, an invasion of Poland again?

Are our Political leaders either not respecting the threat?

Maybe they are deliberately ignoring it (probably hoping the next incumbents will have to deal with it).

Have the supporters and sympathizers of Jihad infiltrated Government ranks perhaps?

Could be they are all still afraid of being called racists by the liberal left? Though I dont really buy that one these days.

What are Aber's thoughts on this because I am truly baffled.

[anotheoldgit]

Time for all moderate Muslims to take on the militant Muslims, after all we are constantly told that the militant ones are only in the minority so it should not be too difficult.

[jno]

invasion of Poland by whom?

Serious question, because we're not talking about advancing armies here, just about disaffected local youth (mostly) and some hardline elders.

I'd be surprised if politicians were ignoring it; but as it's chiefly a matter of internal security rather than mobilising the military, they're hardly going to be talking about it; they welcome any excuse not to tell the public what they're up to, and this is one such excuse.

[dannyk13]

According to one report the IS now number around 20.000 in which case ,following all the cuts, have qe enough troops to take them on.

[youngmafbog]

The invasion of Poland was a reference to our failure to intervene in Europe quickly enough in the late 1930's.

I'd also take issue with your assertion we are not dealing with armies. A few years ago that would have been 100% correct but now we are seeing caliphates being declared and armies there to push them out. This is not just confined to Northern Iraq/syria either it is in Africa big time. It is not dissafected local youth either, many are not local and many are not youth.

There is however another element, that being the threat from within. This is perhaps where the moderate Muslims can play a role but it is still going to be down to Government to take firm and decisive action, action that will not be palatable with some.

[youngmafbog]

//According to one report the IS now number around 20.000 in which case ,following all the cuts, have qe enough troops to take them on. //

It is not just the UK who have to take them on, and yes we have enough. Better a small highly trained force than huge numbers of ill trained ones. Your attempt at political point scoring is rather disappointing give the severe threat we face.

[Gromit]

He is right.
We are not doing enough, especially the UK, to combat the threat of IS.
Our contribution so far has been pathetic.
We got our fingers burnt in Afghanistan and Iraq. So the public and Politicians are wary.
Problem is, Saddam and the Taleban were never a real threat to to Britain. Islamic State are.

[Gromit]

// Have the supporters and sympathizers of Jihad infiltrated Government ranks perhaps? //

Possibly, William Hague wanted us to join the Syrian Conflict on the side of IS. Fortunately there were enough sensible MPs to defeat the Government in the vote.

[anotheoldgit]

youngmafbog

And what do you wish to see?

Numerous headless British servicemen and Women arriving back to Brize Norton in wooden boxes?

Look at all those maimed and limbless young men, that came back from Iraq and Afghanistan, and for what, what was achieved?

[dannyk13]

YMG, I was not political point scoring I was merely stating a fact and I resent your implication.

[RandyMarsh]

The Egyptian response was encouraging, I don't think it is up to ordinary muslims to fight a war, that is the job for soldiers.

I agree that more action is required, troops on the ground would show these part time soldiers what a well trained and technically superior military can do.

We would have to stomach the casualties, war is war, it does not change.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// Saddam and the Taleban were never a real threat to to Britain. Islamic State are. ///

It matters not what they call themselves they are all part of the same.

Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Nusra Front, Boko Haram, Al-Qaeda, Islamic State,

I.S. are just the new kid on the block, get rid of them (if that is at all possible) and a new lot will rise up.

Our only aim should be to keep them from these shores.

[anotheoldgit]

RandyMarsh

/// I agree that more action is required, troops on the ground would show these part time soldiers what a well trained and technically superior military can do. ///

Yes it certainly worked on the tribesmen in Afghanistan didn't it?

/// We would have to stomach the casualties, war is war, it does not
change.

Ah how very brave coming from one safe and sound in his armchair.

[RandyMarsh]

What do you want me to do AOG?, I am too old for the army now. Are you saying that cause i cannot fight i cannot comment?, you better shut up as well then. :)

[Gromit]

// Our only aim should be to keep them from these shores. //

No it shouldn't. It should be one of our aims. Another should be to eradicate anyone who indiscriminately murders British citizens. That includes British journalists and Aid Workers.
Not sure why anyone favours letting murderers of British citizens get away with it? Fortunately the Egyptians aren't as cowardly.

[Gromit]

// Ah how very brave coming from one safe and sound in his armchair. //

Luckily you weren't around in 1939 or we would all be speaking German now.

Letting Islamic State succeed in their aim of establishing a Caliphate across the middle east in not in our interest. They need to be stopped before it is too late.

[Svejk]

Yes Divebuddy, the Christians were persecuted under Morsi and his Islamist Muslim Brotherhood. Things are better for them now under the anti-Islamist Sisi.
Hopefully the US/UK won't make the mistake of arming the Muslim Brotherhood,,,,,,,again.

[ichkeria]

Invasion of Poland?
We now pay the price for our failure to intervene in Syria Although ISIS go back a surprisingly long way and just go to show how complex these things are
At least some sort of military response IS happening unlike in Ukraine where we sit back and watch Putin's terrorists continue to advance in the latest bloody 'ceasefire'
Should I mention 'invasion of Poland' again :-)

[keyplus90]

ISIS threat will never come close to Europe. It has been designed for the Middlese East and North Africa. It's Oil game.

[Gromit]

Keyplus

IS are a Saudi inspired war on Shia's. It is a land grab with the aim of creating a caliphate on the edge of Europe. If they succeed, do you really think they will just stop there?