A Bravado Racist Chant Maybe, But A Real Act Of Racism?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/18/racist-chelsea-fans-push-black-man-paris-metro

Much has been said and reported about the Chelsea fans behaviour in France, mainly due to the Video obtained by the Guardian.

Well apart from the ridiculous chant from a football crowd, and many of us have become accustomed to these over the years, was it enough for calls for the perpetrators to answer to be banned and face the law?

As far as I could see from the video, the black man was walking along the platform, until he got to the open door of the carriage containing the football crowd.

Now what was said, perhaps we will never know, but instead of the black man trying to board the train was he actually trying to confront these football supporters in an aggressive way, and if he was isn't it obvious that they would try and push him away.

Yes we all know that the crowd were suppose to be shouting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it". (because the Guardian has told us that), but in the true football crowd tradition was this just to get back at their opponent.

I am in no way condoning an act of racism if that is what it was, but before you condemn me look at the video again.

[-Talbot-]

Now what was said, perhaps we will never know, but instead of the black man trying to board the train was he actually trying to confront these football supporters in an aggressive way


lol lol lol ..you are a card, AOG.

[sandyRoe]

One man confronting a crowd acting yobbishly? Do you really believe that?

[ludwig]

Yes, I'm sure it's all a huge misunderstanding. The man clearly inflamed the situation by being black and trying to get on the train. If anything it's troublemakers like him who should be banned from using trains in future.

[sandyRoe]

Or, at least, ride at the back of the bus.

[Baldric]

Looks to me like he was trying to board the train.

[Gavmacp]

I have to say there are times on answerbank when I have to shake my head in disbelief. This is one of these times!!

[ummmm]

Same Gav....truly shocking..

Why do you always try and excuse racism, AOG?

[Gromit]

Sounds like you are condoning it.

// the crowd were suppose to be shouting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it". (because the Guardian has told us that) //
Not really supposed. If you play the video you cand hear it.

// in the true football crowd tradition //
Racism isn't a tradition in football. It crept in during the 1970s when football was hijacked by hooligan gangs. We do not want a return to that, which the Paris incident certainly was.

// he actually trying to confront these football supporters in an aggressive way //
No he wasn't, he was a commuter trying to get home who was being prevented from boarding the train. Only you could try and blame the victim in this instance.

[alavahalf]

If you are going to confront a gang of football supporters ... I doubt very much if you would turn your back on them as seen in as second attempt to board the train. His body language is all wrong.

[anotheoldgit]

/// "What could I tell my children? That daddy was shoved around on the Metro because he is black? ///

And do you really believe that?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31530501

[ToraToraTora]

This is clear racism AOG, they would not let the guy on because of his colour and helpfully explained why. I cannot see any other explanation here. Yes they should face the law as it stands as well as any action from the club.

[Bazile]

aog - Really ?

Well - i'll go to the foot of our stairs

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

/// Why do you always try and excuse racism, AOG? ///

I have never tried to excuse real racism, but here I am just querying this on the evidence put before us.

But I knew I would get this reaction, when one dares to take an opposite viewpoint.

[ludwig]

A black man once pushed me off a train because he claimed I was in his seat. I complained about it to the authorities but it turned out he was correct - only the driver is allowed to sit in the little carriage at the front.

[ummmm]

They were chanting 'we're racist, we're racist, and that's the way we like it' while stopping a black man from getting on the train.

Is that not real racism?

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// Not really supposed. If you play the video you cand hear it. ///

Well you must have better hearing than most of us, why else would the Guardian deem it necessary to add sub-titles?

[SeaJayPea]

Yes, that's exactly what it was - "A real act of racism".

We don't only know that they were chanting "We're racist etc." because that's what the Guardian told us. We know it because we have ears and can hear it on the link you posted.

I for one hope that they get identified, shipped back to Paris and flung in jail.

[Baldric]

The audio is clear, you don't need subtitles!

[ummmm]

I didn't need sub titles to hear it.

[Bazile]

///// "What could I tell my children? That daddy was shoved around on the Metro because he is black? ///

aog - it would appear that you have mis-understood that statement and that's probably why you have made such a ridiculous comment .

The guy isn't saying that he couldn't say to his children that he was too soft and was allowed to be pushed around by the chelsea ; supporters ' , therefore he had to to ''confront these football supporters in an aggressive way''

What he is saying how could tell his children that daddy was treated that way , just because he is black