Are These Innocent Civilians?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2978890/ISIS-barbarians-throw-gay-man-building-bloodthirsty-crowds-Syria.html

Very unlikely judging by their barbarism, so would it be wrong to bomb Raqqa?

[Zacs-Master]

Let's just clarify this AOG - you are advocating the bombing of civilians?

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //You and others are constantly telling us that we have moved on and what was acceptable years ago is not acceptable now.//

Just because something is not acceptable does not mean that no-one does it anymore, or that no-one will come and watch while they do.

[anotheoldgit]

/// Not because of the women and children (because lets face it many of they are just as dangerous out there) but because of the other points mentioned above. ///

Well you have just admitted that they are just as dangerous, so why all the pussy footing around? Send in the bombers, if it saves one foot soldier's life it will be worth it.

/// It will, eventually, come to boots on the ground. The sooner we start the easier it will be. The longer you leave it the more soldiers will be killed or maimed. ///

If you think that putting boots on the ground will rid the Middle East of these savages you've got another think coming, we have tried it before, do you wish to see the coffins arrive at Brize Norton once again?

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// Do you blame me? ///

Yes I do, shame on you, classing your fellow countrymen on the same level as these mentally disarranged savages.

[sp1814]

AOG

You've changed your question.

Originally you asked if it would be wrong to bomb the city of Raqqa.

Then your picture link seemed to suggest a targeted bombing of the spectators.

Not a facetious question. Just a request for clarification.

[sp1814]

AOG

I think your original question may have been hastily written. I believe that you're more interested in a targeted bombing mission to attack the crowds at these murderous events.

Is that right?

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

/// AOG, have you forgotten the Tottenham riots? ///

It's absolutely disgusting the lengths some will go to dilute the type of savagery that is taking place in the Middle East by comparing it with rioting and looting in this country, words fail me.

Having said that, I am prepared to take that back if someone can prove that during those riots, some people were thrown off a high building, their only crime being that they were homosexual.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //andy-hughes

/// Do you blame me? ///

Yes I do, shame on you, classing your fellow countrymen on the same level as these mentally disarranged savages.//

I think that's something of an oversimplification of the point I made.

Just because all humans anywhere in the world share some of the more base instincts - including gawping at something shocking - that does not mean that they share all the other characteristics.

I know that - and I know you do too.

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// Just because something is not acceptable does not mean that no-one does it anymore, or that no-one will come and watch while they do. ///

Then wise me up, when did anyone in this country throw someone from a tall building while a crowd watched from below, stop making excuses for them Andy.

[Peter Pedant]

Yup Innocent civilians
by your own criteria AOG ( ya narty narty old man ! ) they have not been convicted of any offence and so are .... innocent

yeah yeah I know your criterion is silly
because it means one cannot have a meaningful conversation about anything besides outcomes of criminal cases.... but Ya said it !

[andy-hughes]

AOG - // Send in the bombers, if it saves one foot soldier's life it will be worth it. //

The life of a professional soldier who goes abroad to fight because it is the job he trained for, and is paid to do, versus one innocent child who's only crime is being born in the wrong country at the wrong time?

No - can't stretch to that bargain - and I doubt you can if you think of it like that.

[Svejk]

I think the EDL must do that, aog. It's the only explanation for this. (or he's an idiot)
https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1799/8619/original.jpg

[Zacs-Master]

AOG, the Tottenham riots grew through social media, proving that deep down, we have the same 'let's go and watch' mentality. You may not like it, but it's a fact.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - // /// Just because something is not acceptable does not mean that no-one does it anymore, or that no-one will come and watch while they do. ///

Then wise me up, when did anyone in this country throw someone from a tall building while a crowd watched from below, stop making excuses for them Andy. //

I haven't bothered tracking back through any of my posts to see where I have 'made excuses' - because I know there aren't any, and so do you.

Drawing comparisons in the dark side of human behaviour does not equate with excusing it - you appear to be looking for points that I am not making.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

I refer you to my previous answer, and I will not be wasting any more time explaining what should be obvious to you or anyone else for that matter.

*** if one bombed a crowd in Ragga, wouldn't one also be bombing
Ragga? ***

[Svejk]

I don't know where you live, aog, but I know nobody would get away with throwing homosexuals off roofs around here, much less draw a crowd.
Of course, in Bradford, Luton, wherever Andy lives things might/must be different.

[Zacs-Master]

I am constantly flabbergasted by your views AOG but I think you've hit an all time low with this one.

[andy-hughes]

Svejk - //I don't know where you live, aog, but I know nobody would get away with throwing homosexuals off roofs around here, much less draw a crowd.
Of course, in Bradford, Luton, wherever Andy lives things might/must be different.//

I am unsure of the point you are making here - can you explain please? Thanks.

[Svejk]

You're trying to make out that people here are the same as people there and I'm saying they're not around here. Don't, to be honest, know why that needed explaining? Seemed pretty straightforward to me.

[Peter Pedant]

Zax - all time low in bombing civilians....(AOG)

Nope I am sure AOG can get lower than that - on a point of history "Police bombing" of civilians 1919-1921 was advocated by the Colonial Secretary no less than AOG's number 1 fave - Winston Churchill.

That is why we have archive aerial moving pictures of Baghdad in 1920 - taken of course from a Vickers Vimy Bomber

It didnt work of course and my grandfather lost seniority for telling his elders and better what a crup idea civilian bombing was

And look what happened to Churchill !

I was gonna say he moved onto the bombing of Dresden, but that would be inflammatory and about 50% of readers wouldnt understand