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Has Cameron 'betrayed The Country'?
Edited from the Dault Telegraph:
// David Cameron has been heckled by a long-serving Tory member angered at the Government's failure to curb migration at the launch of the party's election launch.
In a rare breach of the slick presentation that characterises Conservative events, Mr Cameron was heckled by a party member of 35 years who was angered by the scant mention of Europe and immigration in the speech.
Mike Howson, 59, from Staffordshire Morelands, shouted that Mr Cameron had “betrayed the country” by failing to cut immigration.
It comes just days after Mr Cameron was booed, heckled and jeered by pensioners over the NHS at an Age UK rally. //
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Is this ling time Cinservative member right?
// David Cameron has been heckled by a long-serving Tory member angered at the Government's failure to curb migration at the launch of the party's election launch.
In a rare breach of the slick presentation that characterises Conservative events, Mr Cameron was heckled by a party member of 35 years who was angered by the scant mention of Europe and immigration in the speech.
Mike Howson, 59, from Staffordshire Morelands, shouted that Mr Cameron had “betrayed the country” by failing to cut immigration.
It comes just days after Mr Cameron was booed, heckled and jeered by pensioners over the NHS at an Age UK rally. //
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Is this ling time Cinservative member right?
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mikey, Dave promises a 7 day NHS by 2020.
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Mikey,//… it will come to me eventually !//
I have my doubts.
Zacs, the elderly who are apparently creating such problems for the NHS are not confined to the indigenous population. Immigrants age too. Furthermore, we now have the burden of dealing with diseases that at one time were practically non-existent in this country – TB for example. That is solely due to immigration. It’s ridiculous to claim that immigration is having no adverse effects. It is.
I have my doubts.
Zacs, the elderly who are apparently creating such problems for the NHS are not confined to the indigenous population. Immigrants age too. Furthermore, we now have the burden of dealing with diseases that at one time were practically non-existent in this country – TB for example. That is solely due to immigration. It’s ridiculous to claim that immigration is having no adverse effects. It is.
Naomi...sorry to interject with some rational comments, but .....
Immigrants comprise a minority of the British population. So the ageing problems that Britain is facing at the moment, and will have increased in the future, will be mainly due to our own home-grown citizens, not the small minority of immigrants....is that not so ?
TB is on the increase but at a very small rate compared to diabetes, obesity, etc.
So, again immigration DOES have an effect on the nations health, but is very small compared to the general problems that effect everybody else.
Again....I ask.... who is going to wipe your bottom in years to come ?
This question is rhetorical, as I do not know, nor do I wish to know your own personal circumstances !
Immigrants comprise a minority of the British population. So the ageing problems that Britain is facing at the moment, and will have increased in the future, will be mainly due to our own home-grown citizens, not the small minority of immigrants....is that not so ?
TB is on the increase but at a very small rate compared to diabetes, obesity, etc.
So, again immigration DOES have an effect on the nations health, but is very small compared to the general problems that effect everybody else.
Again....I ask.... who is going to wipe your bottom in years to come ?
This question is rhetorical, as I do not know, nor do I wish to know your own personal circumstances !
Mr Camerons promise of seven day GP services has been well received round here, Mikey. Five days would be a treat. My practice has eight doctors (plus three receptionists, a deputy practice manager, a practice manager and at least three nurses). It provides no out of hours service, no facilities to take a blood samples, opens four and a half days a week (half day closing Thursday), closes one and a half hours for lunch and securing an appointment is a nightmare (I won't bore you with the details).
It used to have four doctors and one receptionist, took blood samples, provided out of hours services and getting an appointment was a doddle. The reason for this profound change in circumstances is nothing to do with an ageing poplation. It is simply to do with population growth. Huge numbers of homes have been built in its catchment area and many hundreds, if not thousands of people have arrived. So our £100k GPs (who, in my opinion, simply delay patients from seeing somebody who knows what they're talking about) have seen their pay double and the services they are obliged to provide reduced. That is why the NHS needs more staff - it has considerably more people to treat and has allowed many of its practitioners to reduce their responsibilities wilst paying them huge amounts more.
It used to have four doctors and one receptionist, took blood samples, provided out of hours services and getting an appointment was a doddle. The reason for this profound change in circumstances is nothing to do with an ageing poplation. It is simply to do with population growth. Huge numbers of homes have been built in its catchment area and many hundreds, if not thousands of people have arrived. So our £100k GPs (who, in my opinion, simply delay patients from seeing somebody who knows what they're talking about) have seen their pay double and the services they are obliged to provide reduced. That is why the NHS needs more staff - it has considerably more people to treat and has allowed many of its practitioners to reduce their responsibilities wilst paying them huge amounts more.
grumpy...than I take it you live in England and you have a complete absence of problems accessing your GP ?
Everything is toot-sweet in your neck of the woods then ?
And the problem of the overwhelming of A+E because people can't get a GP's appointment is purely a Welsh issue then ?
No man is an island, and that goes for countries as well.
Everything is toot-sweet in your neck of the woods then ?
And the problem of the overwhelming of A+E because people can't get a GP's appointment is purely a Welsh issue then ?
No man is an island, and that goes for countries as well.
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NJ...sensible post, of which I agree with (mostly)
But its not so much the health-care element of this debate that should worry us....its what is euphemistically called "social care"
When someone isn't ill enough to warrant hospital care, the "social care" industry takes over. An industry where carers are hounded from pillar to post in such a fashion that they might only be able to give their patients 5-10 mins of the attention they need. And they do this for minimum wage, or in many cases, less than minimum wage.
This isn't a Party-Political point.......whoever is in power, in the foreseeable future, will only see this problem get worse, unless we admit that we have a problem now. And money is going to have to be found, and spent !
But its not so much the health-care element of this debate that should worry us....its what is euphemistically called "social care"
When someone isn't ill enough to warrant hospital care, the "social care" industry takes over. An industry where carers are hounded from pillar to post in such a fashion that they might only be able to give their patients 5-10 mins of the attention they need. And they do this for minimum wage, or in many cases, less than minimum wage.
This isn't a Party-Political point.......whoever is in power, in the foreseeable future, will only see this problem get worse, unless we admit that we have a problem now. And money is going to have to be found, and spent !
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Mikey, neither your coarseness nor your repeated personal slights add to this discussion.
//immigration DOES have an effect on the nations health, but is very small compared to the general problems that effect everybody else.//
Nonsense. You talk as though immigrants are immune to the illnesses and problems that affect the rest of the population, including those that result from old age. They’re not. They suffer the same ailments – and if you consider the re-emergence of diseases like TB, arguably more. Additionally, over a quarter of babies born in England and Wales are now from mothers who have come here from other countries – so hardly a small proportion - and each and every one of those children, and their parents, require, among other things, the services of the NHS. Services are under pressure because they are struggling to cope with an ever-increasing population - and digging your head in the sand because you doggedly refuse to acknowledge the negative impact that immigration is having upon the infrastructure this country will not cure the problem.
//immigration DOES have an effect on the nations health, but is very small compared to the general problems that effect everybody else.//
Nonsense. You talk as though immigrants are immune to the illnesses and problems that affect the rest of the population, including those that result from old age. They’re not. They suffer the same ailments – and if you consider the re-emergence of diseases like TB, arguably more. Additionally, over a quarter of babies born in England and Wales are now from mothers who have come here from other countries – so hardly a small proportion - and each and every one of those children, and their parents, require, among other things, the services of the NHS. Services are under pressure because they are struggling to cope with an ever-increasing population - and digging your head in the sand because you doggedly refuse to acknowledge the negative impact that immigration is having upon the infrastructure this country will not cure the problem.
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