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Come on guys, been saying it for years, Labour cannot win with ED. Tories at 303, projected 329 and that is a majority so, gromit, even by warped lefty thinking Dave has won this. Go Dave!
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The whole concept of a Labour Party is an anachronism.
In recent decades, Labour have only survived by impersonating the Conservatives. As soon as they stop impersonating the Conservatives, and start bleating on about traditional Labour values, they get a good thrashing.
Maybe the trots should just accept it, and disband the Labour Party.
In recent decades, Labour have only survived by impersonating the Conservatives. As soon as they stop impersonating the Conservatives, and start bleating on about traditional Labour values, they get a good thrashing.
Maybe the trots should just accept it, and disband the Labour Party.
Electoral Calculus were predicting just a 4% probability of a Conservative Majority yesterday, so they are well and truly discredited.
Most people pedicted a Conservative win, but Hardly anyone, including you Tora, thought they would have a majority.
Where I got it wrong was under estimating the LibDem collapse. And far more of those seats went Tory and not Labour. Many noticed a few months ago that Labour were doing very badly in Scotland. But the extent of the SNP victory that happened last night seemed like fantasy. That helped the Conservatives, as did the fear among English voters that the SNP and Labour would run the country. I suspect in the English marginals that went blue, people voted Tory to keep the SNP out of Government.
The LibDems have been heavily punished by people who voted for them in 2010. Labour lost this election in 2010 when they elected Ed Miliband. He has been very poor in Opposition these 5 years, and at times his election campaign strategy was perplexing. It will be interesting to see which way the Labour party turns for his replacement, and if that fight splits the Party.
Nationaly, UKIP got nearly 4 times more votes than the SNP who got 56 seats, but have ended up with 1 seat (possibly 2). That anomoly needs addressing.
Most people pedicted a Conservative win, but Hardly anyone, including you Tora, thought they would have a majority.
Where I got it wrong was under estimating the LibDem collapse. And far more of those seats went Tory and not Labour. Many noticed a few months ago that Labour were doing very badly in Scotland. But the extent of the SNP victory that happened last night seemed like fantasy. That helped the Conservatives, as did the fear among English voters that the SNP and Labour would run the country. I suspect in the English marginals that went blue, people voted Tory to keep the SNP out of Government.
The LibDems have been heavily punished by people who voted for them in 2010. Labour lost this election in 2010 when they elected Ed Miliband. He has been very poor in Opposition these 5 years, and at times his election campaign strategy was perplexing. It will be interesting to see which way the Labour party turns for his replacement, and if that fight splits the Party.
Nationaly, UKIP got nearly 4 times more votes than the SNP who got 56 seats, but have ended up with 1 seat (possibly 2). That anomoly needs addressing.
Morning TTT !
Nobody could have predicted what happened last night. The Tories seem to have managed to get a good result, and I sadly but willingly give my respect for that.
Why did all the Polling organisations, without fail, get it wrong ? My best guess on this is that an awful lot of people made their minds in the last 24-48 hours. Its also apparent that the complete collapse of the LibDem vote was helpful to the Tory Party. The SNP have also done their bit to put a Tory back into Number Ten, a very odd situation for a Party that say they hate the Tories.
In my own constituency, Labour lost for the first time for 100 years, albeit by only 27 votes. This was caused by the collapse in the LibDem vote, not so much about the popularity of the local Tory candidate.
But the people have spoken and it should be accepted that for the next 5 years at least, the Tories will rule, with little or no help from anyone else.
But I pity the old, the sick, the disabled, the poor, and the disadvantaged. The Tories have said that they intend to continue to make massive cuts to public sending. Where is the money going to come from ? They declined to make that clear in the last 4 weeks. But you can safely bet that it won't be coming from the wallets of big business or the Bankers, that's for sure !
Nobody could have predicted what happened last night. The Tories seem to have managed to get a good result, and I sadly but willingly give my respect for that.
Why did all the Polling organisations, without fail, get it wrong ? My best guess on this is that an awful lot of people made their minds in the last 24-48 hours. Its also apparent that the complete collapse of the LibDem vote was helpful to the Tory Party. The SNP have also done their bit to put a Tory back into Number Ten, a very odd situation for a Party that say they hate the Tories.
In my own constituency, Labour lost for the first time for 100 years, albeit by only 27 votes. This was caused by the collapse in the LibDem vote, not so much about the popularity of the local Tory candidate.
But the people have spoken and it should be accepted that for the next 5 years at least, the Tories will rule, with little or no help from anyone else.
But I pity the old, the sick, the disabled, the poor, and the disadvantaged. The Tories have said that they intend to continue to make massive cuts to public sending. Where is the money going to come from ? They declined to make that clear in the last 4 weeks. But you can safely bet that it won't be coming from the wallets of big business or the Bankers, that's for sure !
Mikey, //Why did all the Polling organisations, without fail, get it wrong ?//
Because they didn’t factor in the ‘shy Conservative’. You we're warned.
//In my own constituency, Labour lost for the first time for 100 years//
The Welsh are finally seeing sense.
//Where is the money going to come from ? They declined to make that clear in the last 4 weeks.//
Perhaps they’ll adopt Labour’s much heralded Mansion Tax. They promised miracles from the proceeds of that.
Because they didn’t factor in the ‘shy Conservative’. You we're warned.
//In my own constituency, Labour lost for the first time for 100 years//
The Welsh are finally seeing sense.
//Where is the money going to come from ? They declined to make that clear in the last 4 weeks.//
Perhaps they’ll adopt Labour’s much heralded Mansion Tax. They promised miracles from the proceeds of that.
mikey........your comments over the past five years were always well conceived and had at their basis the result of Polls from the Electoral College which i never did understand.
However, this led you to oft remark "why isn't Dave pulling ahead?! ....a reasonable question which nobody satisfactorily answered.
However, to me and i mentioned it on AB, the important question was...."how has Labour let a 14 point lead slip......a trend which was there for all to see and was never, in my mind, addressed.
At the last election, the electorate didn't want a Labour Government and wasn't sure that a Tory Government was the answer and this time they DEFINITELY didn't want a Labour Government but want the Tories to continue.
Labour needs to rethink...........from where is the new Tony Blair coming?
How much for a centre Labour leader who could have won the election for Labour.
I admire you for sticking to your beliefs, but question your action in "taking your eye off the ball" with the Electoral poles.
However, this led you to oft remark "why isn't Dave pulling ahead?! ....a reasonable question which nobody satisfactorily answered.
However, to me and i mentioned it on AB, the important question was...."how has Labour let a 14 point lead slip......a trend which was there for all to see and was never, in my mind, addressed.
At the last election, the electorate didn't want a Labour Government and wasn't sure that a Tory Government was the answer and this time they DEFINITELY didn't want a Labour Government but want the Tories to continue.
Labour needs to rethink...........from where is the new Tony Blair coming?
How much for a centre Labour leader who could have won the election for Labour.
I admire you for sticking to your beliefs, but question your action in "taking your eye off the ball" with the Electoral poles.
Mikey, me old china, you sound like Kinnochio in 1983! anyway I appeciate your candour in defeat. here are 3 factors:
1) England was terrified of SNP/Labour
2) Ed never looked like a PM
3) Yes the shy tory vote, no idea why but many think it's un cool to be Tory but sensible. I'd rather win with shy Tories than lose with trendy Labour.
Anyway mikey congrats on your new Tory MP.
1) England was terrified of SNP/Labour
2) Ed never looked like a PM
3) Yes the shy tory vote, no idea why but many think it's un cool to be Tory but sensible. I'd rather win with shy Tories than lose with trendy Labour.
Anyway mikey congrats on your new Tory MP.
Here you are, Mikey.
//For various reasons, people don’t like to admit that they are intending to vote Conservative at the next election, particularly to a stranger on the phone. This, I imagine, is related to the vitriol reserved by those on the left for those who have right wing leanings. You won’t tell a stranger that you intend to vote Conservative as you don’t know how they might react. If you don’t know what I mean by this, compare sitting down at a table of a Die-hard Labour supporters and announce you are a Conservative-voter with sitting down at a table of Conservative supporters and announcing you intend to vote Labour. The latter will most probably result in amused indulgence. The former won’t.
It’s the same phenomenon that was occurring in Scottish Referendum polls last year, with people not wanting to admit they were planning to vote “No” to a stranger due to the increasingly hostile reaction those supporting the “No” campaign were receiving. //
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Blame the aggressive left.
//For various reasons, people don’t like to admit that they are intending to vote Conservative at the next election, particularly to a stranger on the phone. This, I imagine, is related to the vitriol reserved by those on the left for those who have right wing leanings. You won’t tell a stranger that you intend to vote Conservative as you don’t know how they might react. If you don’t know what I mean by this, compare sitting down at a table of a Die-hard Labour supporters and announce you are a Conservative-voter with sitting down at a table of Conservative supporters and announcing you intend to vote Labour. The latter will most probably result in amused indulgence. The former won’t.
It’s the same phenomenon that was occurring in Scottish Referendum polls last year, with people not wanting to admit they were planning to vote “No” to a stranger due to the increasingly hostile reaction those supporting the “No” campaign were receiving. //
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Blame the aggressive left.
Morning Sqad !
Labour has 5 years to rebuild itself. Hopefully it won't take as along as 18 years ! After all, the Tories only took 13 years to come back from defeat.
A Leadership battle has already started, in the same way as it would have done if the situation had been in the reverse, and dave was looking at defeat. Labour have been in this situation before and it will bounce back again, of that I have no doubt. I would dearly love Alan Johnson to put his hat in the ring for the new Leader, although that looks doubtful.
But everybody was confused by all the Polls, not just me. Dimbleby last night looked visibly shocked when he announced the Exit Poll, and he has been in around a lot longer than most of us, although perhaps not you ( ! )
One thing has puzzled me though....where you not allowed to vote in some way ? I am unsure about the position of Ex-Pats, but I thought that as long as you had a British base, you could still vote. Maybe I have that wrong.
Labour has 5 years to rebuild itself. Hopefully it won't take as along as 18 years ! After all, the Tories only took 13 years to come back from defeat.
A Leadership battle has already started, in the same way as it would have done if the situation had been in the reverse, and dave was looking at defeat. Labour have been in this situation before and it will bounce back again, of that I have no doubt. I would dearly love Alan Johnson to put his hat in the ring for the new Leader, although that looks doubtful.
But everybody was confused by all the Polls, not just me. Dimbleby last night looked visibly shocked when he announced the Exit Poll, and he has been in around a lot longer than most of us, although perhaps not you ( ! )
One thing has puzzled me though....where you not allowed to vote in some way ? I am unsure about the position of Ex-Pats, but I thought that as long as you had a British base, you could still vote. Maybe I have that wrong.
Naomi...you reply still doesn't make it clear why people are not shy of admitting to vote Labour. I have posh friends in Surrey who would react in exactly the same way if I was to announce that I am Labour supporter, so I am at a loss to see this is a one-way street.
What about voting UKIP ? Aren't people shy and ashamed of voting for them as well ?
What about voting UKIP ? Aren't people shy and ashamed of voting for them as well ?
\\\One thing has puzzled me though....where you not allowed to vote in some way ? I am unsure about the position of Ex-Pats, but I thought that as long as you had a British base, you could still vote. Maybe I have that wrong.\\\\
Not sure mikey....but if you have been non resident from the UK for more than 10 years, then the ex Pat is not allowed a U.K vote.
I have never voted as an exPat, that being a personal choice.
Not sure mikey....but if you have been non resident from the UK for more than 10 years, then the ex Pat is not allowed a U.K vote.
I have never voted as an exPat, that being a personal choice.
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