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More Britons Believe That Multiculturalism Makes The Country Worse - Not Better, What Do You Think?
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The dream of 'multiculturalism' isn't just a matter of having a choice of Bangladeshi, Chinese or Lebanese restaurants, it proposes that we all live and work together in harmony as if differences of ethnicity and culture were of no matter, but this patently isn't true, is it?
If it was so, and as I asked previously, where and when has this ever happened?
Like other social experiments such as communism, it just doesn't work, and unfortunately it takes a lot of suffering to find this out this simple fact.
I do however concede that those immigrants who are prepared to make the greatest effort, have a better chance of assimilation and can be of a benefit to society as a whole, but sadly these are of a minority.
If it was so, and as I asked previously, where and when has this ever happened?
Like other social experiments such as communism, it just doesn't work, and unfortunately it takes a lot of suffering to find this out this simple fact.
I do however concede that those immigrants who are prepared to make the greatest effort, have a better chance of assimilation and can be of a benefit to society as a whole, but sadly these are of a minority.
Given that no two people seem to agree about what multiculturalism is, nor about what it is exactly we are expecting people to "assimilate" to, polls like this are interesting only in gauging a general mood.
People should obey the laws of the land. The rest is a case of live and let live.
I suspect that many people who think they are "monoculturalists" are actually supporters of cultural apartheid. Which is actually "multiculturalism" by effect.
And many who call themselves "multiculturalists" are actually in favour of a homogenous blend, in some sort of pie-eyed "monoculturalism"
So which is it: fear of losing one's identity or irritation that there are all these separate non-assimilating "cultures"
And to the latter, if there is no magic wand to turn us into white, British christians (with a microscopically small 'c') , is the answer "send 'em home"?
People should obey the laws of the land. The rest is a case of live and let live.
I suspect that many people who think they are "monoculturalists" are actually supporters of cultural apartheid. Which is actually "multiculturalism" by effect.
And many who call themselves "multiculturalists" are actually in favour of a homogenous blend, in some sort of pie-eyed "monoculturalism"
So which is it: fear of losing one's identity or irritation that there are all these separate non-assimilating "cultures"
And to the latter, if there is no magic wand to turn us into white, British christians (with a microscopically small 'c') , is the answer "send 'em home"?
//I think that's exactly right. If they're criminals, lock them up, if they're illegal, send them home. //
but we don't. female circumcision is illegal in the uk. the evidence exists that it still goes on. but in 30 years there's only ever been one prosecution, and that failed. that cultural sensitivity plays its part in this is a credible reason.
but we don't. female circumcision is illegal in the uk. the evidence exists that it still goes on. but in 30 years there's only ever been one prosecution, and that failed. that cultural sensitivity plays its part in this is a credible reason.
"Given that no two people seem to agree about what multiculturalism is, nor about what it is exactly we are expecting people to "assimilate" to, polls like this are interesting only in gauging a general mood. "
Sums up the futility of this discussion.... NO GROUND RULES* > wait one minute ! maybe that is the problem with multiculturism! ...
*apply this ad nauseum in majority of debates.
Sums up the futility of this discussion.... NO GROUND RULES* > wait one minute ! maybe that is the problem with multiculturism! ...
*apply this ad nauseum in majority of debates.
To put a simple answer to the title of the OP.Not one day goes by on this site when an OP or OPs does not include some grouses about our multicultural guests in the UK.
Can any one honestly direct me to an OP where we could all agree that something good occurred in the UK to the benefit of ALL of us as a result of the multicultural experiment because I see many negatives but few positives.
Can any one honestly direct me to an OP where we could all agree that something good occurred in the UK to the benefit of ALL of us as a result of the multicultural experiment because I see many negatives but few positives.
This isn't easy, is it? If you live in a country in which you are an immigrant you should adapt to their customs, speak their language and obey their laws. It is not easy, I've done it.
On the other hand, a certain amount of intermingling makes for greater understanding between peoples. I will cite just one occasion.
An integrationist organisation to which I belonged in France, arranged (at huge expense and effort by the members) for a Welsh Male-Voice Choir
On the other hand, a certain amount of intermingling makes for greater understanding between peoples. I will cite just one occasion.
An integrationist organisation to which I belonged in France, arranged (at huge expense and effort by the members) for a Welsh Male-Voice Choir
^^^^ Must have hit something! Continued.......
to visit for a long weekend and give concerts (one free) - they even learnt the 'Marseillaise' and sang it to end their performances.
We sent invitations to all the Maires (small-town mayors) in the locality to attend with their partners for free, about 30 of them. 3 replied positively, the rest declined or did not bother. The reason they gave was that they thought we should have invited a French choir.
So, multiculturalism really is not all that attractive to most people! Personally, I feel that the ghastly, U.K. experiment has failed at enormous cost to our culture and country.
to visit for a long weekend and give concerts (one free) - they even learnt the 'Marseillaise' and sang it to end their performances.
We sent invitations to all the Maires (small-town mayors) in the locality to attend with their partners for free, about 30 of them. 3 replied positively, the rest declined or did not bother. The reason they gave was that they thought we should have invited a French choir.
So, multiculturalism really is not all that attractive to most people! Personally, I feel that the ghastly, U.K. experiment has failed at enormous cost to our culture and country.
"Can any one honestly direct me to an OP where we could all agree that something good occurred in the UK to the benefit of ALL of us as a result of the multicultural experiment because I see many negatives but few positives. "
The following Billy Bragg song "Half English" sums it up for me:
"My mother was half English and I'm half English too
I'm a great big bundle of culture, tied up in the red white and blue
I'm a fine example of your Essex man
And I'm well familiar with the Hindustan
'Cause my neighbors are half English and I'm half English too
My breakfast was half English and so am I, you know
I had a plate of Marmite soldiers, washed down with a cappuccino
And I have a veggie curry about once a week
The next day I fry it up as bubble and squeak
'Cause my appetites, half English and I'm half English too
Dance with me to this very English melody
From morris dancing to Morrissey
All that stuff came from across the sea
Britannia, she's half English, she speaks Latin at home
St. George was born in the Lebanon, how he got here I don't know
And those three lions on your shirt
They never sprang from England's dirt
Them lions are half English and I'm half English too
Le-li, umma le-li-ya, le-li Umma le-li-ya
Le-li, umma le-li-ya, bledi g'desh akh! Le-li-ya
Oh, my country, what a beautiful country you are"
The following Billy Bragg song "Half English" sums it up for me:
"My mother was half English and I'm half English too
I'm a great big bundle of culture, tied up in the red white and blue
I'm a fine example of your Essex man
And I'm well familiar with the Hindustan
'Cause my neighbors are half English and I'm half English too
My breakfast was half English and so am I, you know
I had a plate of Marmite soldiers, washed down with a cappuccino
And I have a veggie curry about once a week
The next day I fry it up as bubble and squeak
'Cause my appetites, half English and I'm half English too
Dance with me to this very English melody
From morris dancing to Morrissey
All that stuff came from across the sea
Britannia, she's half English, she speaks Latin at home
St. George was born in the Lebanon, how he got here I don't know
And those three lions on your shirt
They never sprang from England's dirt
Them lions are half English and I'm half English too
Le-li, umma le-li-ya, le-li Umma le-li-ya
Le-li, umma le-li-ya, bledi g'desh akh! Le-li-ya
Oh, my country, what a beautiful country you are"
jourdain2
I believe the French always liked Pays de Galles. The Breton language for instance is similar.My old Welsh Grandmother used to chatter away with Johnny the Onion Man when he visited the valleys on his bicycle on a yearly basis. She would barter 5 cigarettes and a box of matches for a string of onions and after a hard won deal spend the rest of the day chatting and smoking in Breton/Welsh with him.
Rugby plays a great part in the Anglo/French bon hommie but always fierce rivals on the field.
That is one small heartening and positive alliance but not really an example of successful multiculturalism. :-(
I believe the French always liked Pays de Galles. The Breton language for instance is similar.My old Welsh Grandmother used to chatter away with Johnny the Onion Man when he visited the valleys on his bicycle on a yearly basis. She would barter 5 cigarettes and a box of matches for a string of onions and after a hard won deal spend the rest of the day chatting and smoking in Breton/Welsh with him.
Rugby plays a great part in the Anglo/French bon hommie but always fierce rivals on the field.
That is one small heartening and positive alliance but not really an example of successful multiculturalism. :-(
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