Will There Now Be A Crack-Down On All Those Listening To 'their' Music On Their Smart Phones?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/it-is-illegal-to-rip-music-off-a-cd-or-put-dvds-onto-hard-drives-uk-high-court-says-10402163.html

Strange choice of photograph don't you think?

[andy-hughes]

The shift in music consumption over the last twenty years has been seismic.

Years ago, they used to sloganize that 'Home taping is killing music ... ' which was utter nonsense then, and is now. What it is killing is record label profits, which is a different issue.

Now, with the advent of the internet, and associated software, most people growing into music consumption believe it is free by right, and they actively balk at the notion of paying to consume or own the music they like.

I would be perfectly happy for the law to pursue professional bootleggers who are ripping of musicians on an industrial level - but to be honest, the average fan moving a track from pc to I-Pod is not going to end civilisation as we know it.

The law is already stretched to twanging level trying to find the serious bigwigs in pirated music and film output, so they haven't the time or the resources to come after the man in the street - 'twas ever thus.

The days of record companies making millions from musicians is either dead or dying - they should stop bleating about it, and move their revenue streams in line with modern technology and consumer requirements - in other words, learn to live with market forces, which every other branch of commerce has had to do since cavemen exchanged beads for flint axes.

[Gromit]

// Yes but what if I rip them from the cloud onto my hard drive etc? //

I don't know if that is possible. I got an Amazon CD in the post today and I instantly dropped it into iTunes. It is now in the cloud and playable anywhere on a device of my choosing.
To try and extract the tracks from Amazon's Rip Cloud or whatever they call it, seems like a lot of effort.

[bazwillrun]

and they love to tell you how many millions of $ a film takes on its first weekend...and then they wonder why people pirate them !?

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

Why did you go to the bother to drop it into iTunes? I think you will find that Amazon will have already automatically dropped it into their cloud.

[sp1814]

This seems seriously outdated.

I know that there are millions of people who consume music on CD, but with digital format (ie. buying music online) and streaming, the idea of buying a silver disk, and then copying it to a computer will soon seem as archaic as getting up halfway through an album, and flipping it over to hear the other half.

My nephew is 14, and I was telling him recently that back in the eighties some artists used to put out fairly good b-sides, whereas others would fill them with dreck.

He responded, "What's a b-side?"

[youngmafbog]

Thats true SP, but the media companies are clearly looking to make another bucket load (like they did when we all re-bought our media on CD or DVD) when we move to digital. It is wrong - very wrong. Once you have bought the song or film you should be allowed to use it in any form you like, so long as you dont sell it or share it.

[jno]

What's a b-side?

Good question: the cylinder recordings I play on my phonograph don't seem to have them.

[Gromit]

AOG
Amazon Music is quite limiting. It lets me hear my CD instantly before they arrive in the post, but I cannot play my music tracks randomly or make Playlists. And I do not want my music fragmented in different places.

I want all my music in one place, that's iTunes. My AppleTV is connected to my amplifer and speakers, and My iTunes library plays from iCloud on my AppleTV. So all my music plays in my living room in high fidelity.

I have the Amazon Music App on my iPhone and iPad, so I can use that on my AppleTV over wifi, but I don't use it on 4G because it eats into my data allowance.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

Thanks for that, most interesting.

Not enough information is given about this new technology, Currys/PC World etc advertise various pieces of equipment but unless one knows what it is for and how to use it, it does not mean a thing to us oldies.

[anotheoldgit]

youngmafbog

/// Once you have bought the song or film you should be allowed to use it in any form you like, so long as you dont sell it or share it. ///

What about these shops where one can buy and sell second-hand CDs' and DVDs?

[whiskeryron]

In my simple mind all I ask is am I allowed to download movies from tv to dvd recorder to burn to disc that I can watch at my leisure ?

[Gromit]

// What about these shops where one can buy and sell second-hand CDs' and DVDs? //

Technically they are illegal. If you look at the copyright infomation on all CDs, you will see it say 'Not for re-sale'. Again, another part of our laws that are nonsense and impossible to enfore.

[Gromit]

Wiskeryron,
Under the ruling from the High Court, NO, you are NOT allowed to do that, even if it is for personal use.

[whiskeryron]

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Gromit
Whiskeryron,
Under the ruling from the High Court, NO, you are NOT allowed to do that, even if it is for personal use. // So could someone with more nouse than me explain: I have a Sky HD + box which quite legally allows me to copy a film or any other media to the hard drive from any broadcaster. Presumably that which I have copied belongs to me because the broadcaster has by supplying me with the equipment ( which is remember,now my property) allows me to do this. Because it has by default become my property why is it illegal to extend the facility of the Sky+ HD box to copy the contents to an external device ie. a dvd recorder for my own personal use ?

[Old_Geezer]

Surely this is all too minor to be enforced anyway. It was always illegal here to copy for one's own use save for very recently. A shift back towards that ban will have as much credibility as the original ban did.

Except for folk ripping stuff off to sell, it is pointless acting like King Canute and prosecuting individuals for copying music they have purchased.

Anyway the whole system is utter pants. The cost of production is minimal due to the number of copies sold. Distribution much the same. So punters are left paying millions between them again and again for years on end for something that took a few hours work one day. The artiste(s) are under the delusion they deserve it, the record industry only too happy to rip off as much as they can too. Small wonder youth hold it in disdain. Teaches one not to have respect for laws.